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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 20/02/15 21:45, Chris Agocs wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Cut your losses and move on. <br>
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    But then they'll continue to bully other members, and no progress
    will be made.<br>
    (I am certainly not the only member they've bullied)<br>
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cite="mid:CAKEwH8kuB8b+_bVj4uiFEEftYCuZPUOzcZhKD4PJ4haG4tE9cw@mail.gmail.com"
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      <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri Feb 20 2015 at 3:04:57 PM peter
        <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:phm@riseup.net">phm@riseup.net</a>>
        wrote:<br>
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            Does anyone have advice/experience with the leadership
            abusing their powers, doing unconstitutional/unethical
            things? (specifically: bullying members with mental
            'abnormalities').<br>
            <br>
            What happened? Did anyone try to stop it? Has anyone ever
            called an EGM (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_general_meeting"
              target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_general_meeting</a>)
            about it?<br>
            <br>
            I'm attempting to do this at London Hackspace.<br>
            <br>
            <br>
            Grievance Procedure Update - Peter Meadows banned for one
            year:<br>
            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://groups.google.com/forum/#%21topic/london-hack-space/Io8vDQvaT84"
              target="_blank">https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/london-hack-space/Io8vDQvaT84</a><br>
            <br>
            Notification of a second formal warning for Peter Meadows:<br>
            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://groups.google.com/forum/#%21topic/london-hack-space/7WE1zuRWKbk"
              target="_blank">https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/london-hack-space/7WE1zuRWKbk</a><br>
            <br>
            Fwd: Re: Your first formal warning:<br>
            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://groups.google.com/forum/#%21topic/london-hack-space/bDlpFC6Lg2o"
              target="_blank">https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/london-hack-space/bDlpFC6Lg2o</a><br>
            <br>
            Fwd: Re: Your behaviour in IRC:<br>
            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://groups.google.com/forum/#%21topic/london-hack-space/uNFjdFI7tmY"
              target="_blank">https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/london-hack-space/uNFjdFI7tmY</a><br>
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            <br>
            Thread about my food getting chucked in the bin:<br>
            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://groups.google.com/forum/#%21topic/london-hack-space/E4Gom_ave4c"
              target="_blank">https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/london-hack-space/E4Gom_ave4c</a><br>
            <br>
            (I suspect this was done by a 'trustee' as revenge for me
            suggesting 'doorbot' should<br>
            not be blaring out loud music into the space every 5
            minutes. (although nobody has owned up to doing it, (despite
            other members insisting that it was not a mistake, and it
            was done with the best interests of the space at heart)):<br>
            <br>
            <br>
            Thread in which I'm accused of 'de-humanising' the cleaner
            by calling it 'it':<br>
            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://groups.google.com/forum/#%21topic/london-hack-space/gFJpT3zPj3c"
              target="_blank">https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/london-hack-space/gFJpT3zPj3c</a><br>
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            I think they invented the stuff about IRL harassment because
            they would look silly banning me just for supposed
            'trolling'. (I was NOT 'trolling').<br>
            <br>
            There is CCTV in the space, so we can determine very easily
            if I was 'following' people around. They refuse to give any
            details about what the CCTV shows.<br>
            They refuse to give any details about the nature of the real
            life harassment. I can provide many witnesses that spent
            time with me day to day in the space, and that will testify
            that I have not harassed anyone.<br>
            <br>
            David Potocnik writes:<br>
            <br>
            " <span
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              I've been linked to this discussion and I can't see a very
              descriptive account of what actually happened.
              "Harassment" can be a number of things and it is also
              perceived/felt (right?), so I suggest being more
              expressive."<br>
              <br>
              And:<br>
            </span><br>
            " <span
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              is the second example of somebody being banned for other
              people</span><br
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            <span
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              them "annoying". With anonymity, the trustees become an</span><br
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            <span
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              of good taste (TM) at their own discretion, possibly
              backed up</span><br
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            <span
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              howling wolves. Fine. I'm sure the Trustees are aware of
              the</span><br
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            <span
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              in both historic examples of various annoyances to</span><br
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            <span
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              and on the other side a modern trend in false harassment</span><br
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            <span
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              (Even if this is not the case here).</span><br
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            <br
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            <span
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              was actually apparent in the linked "it" email on<span> </span></span><span
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              Peter</span><br
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            <span
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              accused of "dehumanizing" (morally bad!) a<span> </span></span><span
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              But when I</span><br
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            <span
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              into it, what I saw was him/it playing an (annoying)
              semantic</span><br
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            <span
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              idea of doing away with normal conception of "human
              person". As</span><br
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            <span
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              read it, this is only "insulting" if you read it through
              your own</span><br
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            <span
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              lens, the proper one. He/it wasn't being selectively</span><br
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            <span
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              either.</span><br
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            <span
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              me it was an example of this person's somewhat annoying
              and</span><br
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            <span
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              behaviour, as much as general cultural hegemony."<br>
              <br>
              And:<br>
            </span><br>
            <span
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              <span
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                restating, I am not - or was not - agitating on anyone's
                behalf.</span><br
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              <span
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                nothing is being put "up for debate", though things are</span><br
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              <span
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                debated. (Etc. A careful reader might have found more
                worrying</span><br
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                in follow up responses to my last one.)"</span><br>
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            Then they accuse him of 'agitating' on my behalf. <br>
            <br>
            So clearly anyone that speaks up in my favour is going to
            get bullied like this.<br>
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            They are now censoring my list posts, so I have no way to
            respond to the false allegations.<br>
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            London Hackspace Ltd Articles of Association:<br>
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              href="https://wiki.london.hackspace.org.uk/view/Organisation"
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