<div dir="ltr">this is really great , please keep the answers coming </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-10-14 19:24 GMT-03:00 Volatile Compound <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:volatilecompound@gmail.com" target="_blank">volatilecompound@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">In addition to the other comments, consider also other costs that may be<br>
incurred in the normal running of the space - as an example, it's not<br>
unreasonable to ask a fee for materials used in a class or project. If<br>
someone brings their own, great, but letting folks know in advance that<br>
there's a fee of $whatever to cover consumables or components can help<br>
greatly.<br>
<br>
- skroo.<br>
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On 10/14/14 3:19 PM, Matt Maier wrote:<br>
> There isn't AN answer, there is only a range of options from which you<br>
> pick whatever you want based on what's important to you. For example, if<br>
> you try to make things easy and clear-cut by talking about only<br>
> registered charities, where what they do is obviously focused on a cause<br>
> and not on profit, there is still a huge variety of approaches.<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=content.view&cpid=419" target="_blank">http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=content.view&cpid=419</a><br>
</span>> "/Savvy donors know that the financial health of a charity is a strong<br>
<span class="">> indicator of the charity's programmatic performance. They know that in<br>
> most cause areas, the most efficient charities spend 75% or more of<br>
> their budget on their programs and services and less than 25% on<br>
> fundraising and administrative fees. However, they also understand that<br>
> mid-to-large sized charities do require a strong infrastructure<br>
> therefore a claim of zero fundraising and/or administrative fees is<br>
> unlikely at best. They understand that a charity's ability to sustain<br>
> its programs over time is just as important as its short-term day-to-day<br>
> spending practices. Therefore, savvy donors also seek out charities that<br>
> are able to grow their revenue at least at the rate of inflation, that<br>
> continue to invest in their programs and that have some money saved for<br>
</span>> a rainy day/"<br>
<span class="">><br>
> So, according to an organization devoted to ranking how well charities<br>
> do their job, the benchmark is <=25% on overhead. So if your hackerspace<br>
> operated at a proportion like that it should be beyond reproach, since<br>
> your hackerspace probably isn't an actual charity. That implies a<br>
> balance between the things you really want to give away, and other<br>
> things you have to do to fund the things you want to give away. If<br>
> you're a straight up charity you can start with donations and sell<br>
> enough to make up any shortfall, and it wouldn't make sense for anyone<br>
> to object to that. If you're not a charity, you kind of have to reverse<br>
> those; start with selling things and then ask for donations to make up<br>
> the shortfall. If you want to be self-sustaining you should probably<br>
> start the balancing act with the amount of money you can bring in, and<br>
> then decide how much stuff you can give away based on that. The actual<br>
> thing you choose to give away or sell probably doesn't matter much. If<br>
> you decide to sell something that somebody thinks you should give away,<br>
> they can just go find (or found) a different organization that gives<br>
> that thing away and sells something different.<br>
> On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Florencia Edwards <<a href="mailto:floev22@gmail.com">floev22@gmail.com</a><br>
</span><div><div class="h5">> <mailto:<a href="mailto:floev22@gmail.com">floev22@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hello everyone, today we were discussing what you can sell and what<br>
> you can't sell in a hackerspace. For example "how to make a<br>
> hackerspace", is something i believe everyone should be able to<br>
> access, because the design patterns are free and available for<br>
> everyone since 2007: we want more hackerspaces around and if the<br>
> knowledge was shared with us why not keep sharing it back. So what<br>
> caught my attention is this "Makerspace operations bootcamp" to<br>
> learn how to make a makerspace,, that artisan's asylum offers. Why<br>
> is it so expensive? 2000 dollars for person... Maybe i'm being naive<br>
> and it's good, so the makerspace can sustain itself? :<br>
> <a href="http://maker-works.com/classes/makerspace-operations-bootcamp-2/" target="_blank">http://maker-works.com/classes/makerspace-operations-bootcamp-2/</a><br>
><br>
> Also checking their workshops i believe they are a little expensive,<br>
> i always think that for education. it's better that it has the<br>
> lowest cost possible, because education is a right. But again,<br>
> maybe i'm wrong and if you can't charge workshops, how can a<br>
> hackerspace sustain itself<br>
><br>
> My real question is, what is ethical to sell in a hackerspace so it<br>
> can sustain itself and what is not, what should we give to the<br>
> community for free because it helps people and it makes a better<br>
> world.Also, I know that the fact that things have a cost, or the<br>
> fact of winning money is not a bad thing in itself. We need it to<br>
> live and paying somone for their job is also helping them.<br>
><br>
> So where are the limits, how can you know what to sell, at what<br>
> price, and what never to sell.<br>
><br>
> - Florencia<br>
><br>
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