<div dir="ltr">Let's look at the vapor itself. It is derived from propylene glycol, vegetable glycerin, usually food-grade or better flavoring agents, and usually (not always) a small amount of nicotine. <br><br>* Propylene Glycol is basic fog juice, same as you would use in a fog machine. There are some people who have allergic reactions to PG, but usually that's only in large concentration.<br><br><div>* Vegetable Glycerin is a very harmless medium. It's one of those things that we consume all the time anyhow.<br><br></div><div>* The flavoring agents are mostly harmless. The only danger here is that some of them are not fully tested to show no harm when they are heated and inhaled. I think the worst thing people have found has been diacetyl, which is the base for pretty much all fake butter flavoring. It has been shown to be harmful when inhaled.. on industrial scales over years of working in plants that produce diacetyl or work with it extensively.<br><br></div><div>* The nicotine itself isn't nearly as bad as many people feel. Is it something I'd give to a kid? Certainly not. Much like how caffeine attaches to the adenosine receptors to work as a stimulant, nicotine binds to the acetylcholine receptors in the brain. It's not something great to take in huge quantities. The secondhand vapor exhaled from your average vaper is going to contain just tiny amounts of nicotine.<br><br>The secondhand risks are minimal. That said, some people do not like it. If someone doesn't like vapor or the usually-pleasant smells, then vapers shouldn't bother them and should refrain from using their e-cigarettes. If the vaper is a real jerk about it, someone may unfortunately have to spread some "enforced politeness."<br><br>Banning ecigs altogether out of uninformed fear is a show of weak and lazy leadership. Educate yourself and your membership.<br><br>Matt, your comment on vaping being a middle america or lower-class "thing" was distasteful and classist.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 5:24 AM, David Francos <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:me@davidfrancos.net" target="_blank">me@davidfrancos.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><span class=""><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-10-08 6:38 GMT+02:00 matt <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:matt@nycresistor.com" target="_blank">matt@nycresistor.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I think all of our members are considerate enough that this discussion has never arisen. Also I don't think any of our members 'vape'. That's kind of a middle america / lower class thing. >=D<br></div><div></div></blockquote></div><br><br></span>At Dlabs Hackerspace none of our members vape that we know, but our policy is very strict on that: No smoking, any kind.</div><div class="gmail_extra">But, anyway, we've got a pretty small and not-very-well ventilated space, wich might not be your case.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Consider:</div><div class="gmail_extra">- Is your space big enough?</div><div class="gmail_extra">- Do you have someplace outside where smokers can "smoke" or "vape"?</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Vaping is less bothering than smoking inside, but it still produces smells, and probably some substances that people might not like.</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div class="gmail_extra"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small"><br>Gracias, </div><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small">David Francos Cuartero (<a href="http://davidfrancos.net" target="_blank">davidfrancos.net</a>)</div><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small">--------------------------------------------------------------</div><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small">President - Dlabs Hackerspace (<a href="http://www.dlabs.co" target="_blank">www.dlabs.co</a>)<br></div></div>
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