<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:10px"><div style="" class=""><span style="" class="">Hi to all,</span></div><div class="" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 10px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span style="" class="">it is interesting to see the development of anti-harassment policy in the movement, main interest on this topic seems to be in USA. <br style="" class=""></span></div><div class="" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 10px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span style="" class=""><br style="" class=""></span></div><div class="" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 10px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica
Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span style="" class="">So far for me the most appealing was original Noisebridge policy: <br style="" class=""></span></div><div class="" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 10px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span style="" class=""><br style="" class=""></span></div><div class="" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 10px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span style="" class="">"Be excellent to each other" <br style="" class=""></span></div><div class="" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 10px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span
style="" class=""><br style="" class=""></span></div><div class="" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 10px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span style="" class="">or the one which CCC adopted for their events: <br style="" class=""></span></div><div style="" class=""><br style="" class=""><div style="" class="">The Chaos Computer Club is, by its <a style="" rel="nofollow" class="" href="https://www.ccc.de/satzung#pre">chapter</a> and by <a style="" rel="nofollow" class="" href="https://www.ccc.de/de/updates/2005/unvereinbarkeitserklaerung">common consent</a>, a galactic organization of all life forms, regardless of their age, gender or upbringing.
</div><div style="" class="">We are dedicated to providing a safe and comfortable experience
for everybody attending our events, regardless of age, gender, sexual
orientation, race, physical appearance or disability. We do not tolerate
harassment of participants of the Congress in any form. As <a style="" rel="nofollow" class="" href="https://events.ccc.de/2012/01/03/public-statement/">stated previously</a>, we also don't tolerate life forms who refuse to share this openness towards others.
</div><div style="" class="">The Congress has always been a place where people can enjoy
technology and culture, no matter what their background is. To keep it
that way: If someone is misbehaving and you want support, let the
Congress <a style="" class="" href="https://events.ccc.de/congress/2013/wiki/Static:Volunteers" title="Static:Volunteers">Volunteers</a> (Engel resp. angels) know, they will be glad to help. Have the courage to ask us! <br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 10px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;" class=""><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 10px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;" class="">What I like about them a lot is that they are worded in a very simple and clear manner so people from variety of backgrounds and cultures can get the message quite easilty.<br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 10px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color:
transparent; font-style: normal;" class=""><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 10px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;" class="">Sincerely,</div> </div><div style="" class="">Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck</div><div style="" class=""><br style="" class=""><br style="" class=""></div><div style="" class="">biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker</div><div style="" class=""><br style="" class=""></div><div style="" class=""><br style="" class=""></div><div style="" class="">http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org</div><div style="" class=""><br style="" class=""><br style="" class=""></div><div style="" class="">"There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi<br style="" class=""></div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div style="display: block;" class="yahoo_quoted"> <div class="" style="font-family:
HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 10px;"> <div class="" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="" class="" dir="ltr"> <font style="" class="" face="Arial" size="2"> On Wednesday, September 24, 2014 7:50 PM, Bacon Zombie <baconzombie@gmail.com> wrote:<br style="" class=""> </font> </div> <br style="" class=""><br style="" class=""> <div style="" class=""><div style="" class="" id="yiv5014120183"><div style="" class=""><div style="" class="" dir="ltr">If you listen to the interview I posted you will learn Ada were there to get a talk pulled even before the con and brought a reported with them!</div>
<div style="" class="" dir="ltr">They did not know the title and subject of the talk before hand.</div>
<div style="" class="" dir="ltr">She also lied about a rape victim been at the Con and been concerned about the talk.</div>
<div style="" class="">On Sep 23, 2014 11:52 PM, "Randall Arnold" <<a style="" class="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:randall.arnold@texrat.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:randall.arnold@texrat.net">randall.arnold@texrat.net</a>> wrote:<br style="" class="" clear="none"><blockquote class="" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><u style="" class=""></u>
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<div style="" class="">I never once stated that it was a mistake to approach the organizers, so please: no straw men. I said I believe the final action taken was wrong in my opinion. I stand by that. </div>
<div style="" class="">Violet's account of the incident is the more believable one in my opinion (again, I have zero involvement with either party) and one of her slides makes her position very clear.</div>
<div style="" class="">I abhor harassment in any form, but you won't be able to convince me that censorship and political correctness are valid solutions. And I don't believe it was too late to discuss prefacing the talk with a quick disclaimer. Obviously there was time for a talk on censorship.</div>
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<div style="" class="">On September 23, 2014 at 4:45 PM Kristin-Leigh Brezinski <<a style="" class="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:okrysmastree@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:okrysmastree@gmail.com">okrysmastree@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br style="" class="" clear="none"><br style="" class="" clear="none"><br style="" class="" clear="none">The organizers are ultimately responsible for the way they advertise<br style="" class="" clear="none">and present the events at their conference, so I don't think it was a<br style="" class="" clear="none">mistake to bring the issue directly to them. There's a disconnect<br style="" class="" clear="none">between VB's description of what the talk actually is vs the way it<br style="" class="" clear="none">was presented in the schedule, and ideally that could have been<br style="" class="" clear="none">addressed rather than cancelling the talk outright, but it may have<br style="" class=""
clear="none">been too late in the game at that point.<br style="" class="" clear="none"><br style="" class="" clear="none">On 9/23/14, Randall Arnold <<a style="" class="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:randall.arnold@texrat.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:randall.arnold@texrat.net">randall.arnold@texrat.net</a>> wrote:<br style="" class="" clear="none">> But instead of getting the talk killed outright, doesn't approaching the<br style="" class="" clear="none">> speaker<br style="" class="" clear="none">> openly and honestly to request she preface the talk with reasonable<br style="" class="" clear="none">> disclaimers<br style="" class="" clear="none">> make much more sense?<br style="" class="" clear="none">><br style="" class="" clear="none">> I have no dog in this one so I'm being fairly objective I think when I<br style="" class="" clear="none">> submit<br style="" class="" clear="none">> that Violet
was mistreated here. Fear over a provocative talk title<br style="" class="" clear="none">> followed by<br style="" class="" clear="none">> knee-jerking political correctness was not at all the answer.<br style="" class="" clear="none">><br style="" class="" clear="none">> Randy<br style="" class="" clear="none">><br style="" class="" clear="none">>> On September 23, 2014 at 4:13 PM Kristin-Leigh Brezinski<br style="" class="" clear="none">>> <<a style="" class="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:okrysmastree@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:okrysmastree@gmail.com">okrysmastree@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br style="" class="" clear="none">>><br style="" class="" clear="none">>> What was annoying about the Defcon penalty cards? I saw them as a<br style="" class="" clear="none">>> clever<br style="" class="" clear="none">>> way to bring attention to conference harassment issues and give
people a<br style="" class="" clear="none">>> low-stakes, humorous way to flag bad behavior.<br style="" class="" clear="none">>><br style="" class="" clear="none">>> Re: Violet Blue, I think the whole thing got blown out of proportion,<br style="" class="" clear="none">>> but<br style="" class="" clear="none">>> really, who thought a talk titled "sex +/- drugs: known vulns and<br style="" class="" clear="none">>> exploits"<br style="" class="" clear="none">>> wouldn't raise red flags to a lot of women(/people in general)? Anyone<br style="" class="" clear="none">>> who<br style="" class="" clear="none">>> considers themselves enough of a wordsmith to play on puns like that<br style="" class="" clear="none">>> should be<br style="" class="" clear="none">>> open to criticism of the double-meanings in the terms they're invoking.<br style="" class="" clear="none">>><br style=""
class="" clear="none">>> AI isn't the only organization working on this stuff, but I very much<br style="" class="" clear="none">>> appreciate any organization striving to make solid anti-harassment<br style="" class="" clear="none">>> policies<br style="" class="" clear="none">>> and codes of conduct a default at professional conferences, fan<br style="" class="" clear="none">>> conventions,<br style="" class="" clear="none">>> and hacker/makerspaces. Thanks for the post, Liz - I'll definitely keep<br style="" class="" clear="none">>> this<br style="" class="" clear="none">>> in mind when I evaluate the flexibility of my budgets end of month. :)<br style="" class="" clear="none">>><br style="" class="" clear="none">>> - Kristin-Leigh<br style="" class="" clear="none">>><br style="" class="" clear="none">>> On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 1:08 PM, matt < <a style="" class=""
rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:matt@nycresistor.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:matt@nycresistor.com">matt@nycresistor.com</a><br style="" class="" clear="none">>> <mailto:<a style="" class="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:matt@nycresistor.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:matt@nycresistor.com">matt@nycresistor.com</a>> > wrote:<br style="" class="" clear="none">>><br style="" class="" clear="none">>> > > Ada has been a pretty toxic member of the infosec<br style="" class="" clear="none">>> > > community. Their stupid harassment cards at defcon were<br style="" class="" clear="none">>> annoying,<br style="" class="" clear="none">>> > > but the violet blue incident is but one of several incidents<br style="" class="" clear="none">>> of<br style="" class="" clear="none">>> > > manufacturing drama for PR. that sort of behavior is<br style=""
class="" clear="none">>> unacceptable<br style="" class="" clear="none">>> > > in our community. And as you said... ada is a small org. 2<br style="" class="" clear="none">>> people.<br style="" class="" clear="none">>> > > so i don't see the culture of ada ever changing. I'd rather<br style="" class="" clear="none">>> people<br style="" class="" clear="none">>> > > invested in the gnome outreach program for women.<br style="" class="" clear="none">>> ><br style="" class="" clear="none">>> > <a style="" class="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://wiki.gnome.org/OutreachProgramForWomen">https://wiki.gnome.org/OutreachProgramForWomen</a><br style="" class="" clear="none">>> ><br style="" class="" clear="none">>> > -matt<br style="" class="" clear="none">>> ><br style="" class="" clear="none">>> > On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 3:46
PM, Al Billings <<br style="" class="" clear="none">>> > <a style="" class="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:albill@openbuddha.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:albill@openbuddha.com">albill@openbuddha.com</a><br style="" class="" clear="none">>> > <mailto:<a style="" class="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:albill@openbuddha.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:albill@openbuddha.com">albill@openbuddha.com</a>> > wrote:<br style="" class="" clear="none">>> ><br style="" class="" clear="none">>> > > > > Yes, the real problem that people care<br style="" class="" clear="none">>> > about<br style="" class="" clear="none">>> > > > > is that Valerie hates Violet Blue and it isn’t that<br style="" class="" clear="none">>> > > > > Valerie, using her role in AI, got a sex-positive talk<br style="" class="" clear="none">>> >
by<br style="" class="" clear="none">>> > > > > a woman cancelled at a conference because she didn’t<br style="" class="" clear="none">>> > like<br style="" class="" clear="none">>> > > > > it. Since she still runs AI and clearly nothing has<br style="" class="" clear="none">>> > > > > changed, I’m not sure why you’re surprised that<br style="" class="" clear="none">>> > people<br style="" class="" clear="none">>> > > > > have a negative reaction.<br style="" class="" clear="none">>> > ><br style="" class="" clear="none">>> > ><br style="" class="" clear="none">>> > > On Sep 23, 2014, at 12:44 PM, Liz Henry <<br style="" class="" clear="none">>> > > <a style="" class="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:lizhenry@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:lizhenry@gmail.com">lizhenry@gmail.com</a><br
style="" class="" clear="none">>> > > <mailto:<a style="" class="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:lizhenry@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:lizhenry@gmail.com">lizhenry@gmail.com</a>> > wrote:<br style="" class="" clear="none">>> > ><br style="" class="" clear="none">>> > ><br style="" class="" clear="none">>> > > > > > > Ada Initiative: A small non<br style="" class="" clear="none">>> > > profit<br style="" class="" clear="none">>> > > > > > > run by two people who once pissed off Violet<br style="" class="" clear="none">>> > > Blue.<br style="" class="" clear="none">>> > > ><br style="" class="" clear="none">>> > > > > > ><br style="" class="" clear="none">>> > ><br style="" class="" clear="none">>> > > _______________________________________________<br
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