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<p>But instead of getting the talk killed outright, doesn't approaching the speaker openly and honestly to request she preface the talk with reasonable disclaimers make much more sense?</p>
<p>I have no dog in this one so I'm being fairly objective I think when I submit that Violet was mistreated here. Fear over a provocative talk title followed by knee-jerking political correctness was not at all the answer.</p>
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On September 23, 2014 at 4:13 PM Kristin-Leigh Brezinski <okrysmastree@gmail.com> wrote:
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What was annoying about the Defcon penalty cards? I saw them as a clever way to bring attention to conference harassment issues and give people a low-stakes, humorous way to flag bad behavior.
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Re: Violet Blue, I think the whole thing got blown out of proportion, but really, who thought a talk titled "sex +/- drugs:
<strong>known vulns and exploits</strong>" wouldn't raise red flags to a lot of women(/people in general)? Anyone who considers themselves enough of a wordsmith to play on puns like that should be open to criticism of the double-meanings in the terms they're invoking.
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AI isn't the only organization working on this stuff, but I very much appreciate any organization striving to make solid anti-harassment policies and codes of conduct a default at professional conferences, fan conventions, and hacker/makerspaces. Thanks for the post, Liz - I'll definitely keep this in mind when I evaluate the flexibility of my budgets end of month. :)
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On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 1:08 PM, matt <
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Ada has been a pretty toxic member of the infosec community. Their stupid harassment cards at defcon were annoying, but the violet blue incident is but one of several incidents of manufacturing drama for PR. that sort of behavior is unacceptable in our community. And as you said... ada is a small org. 2 people. so i don't see the culture of ada ever changing. I'd rather people invested in the gnome outreach program for women.
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On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Al Billings <
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Yes, the real problem that people care about is that Valerie hates Violet Blue and it isn’t that Valerie, using her role in AI, got a sex-positive talk by a woman cancelled at a conference because she didn’t like it. Since she still runs AI and clearly nothing has changed, I’m not sure why you’re surprised that people have a negative reaction.
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On Sep 23, 2014, at 12:44 PM, Liz Henry <
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