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<p>Well, for the purpose of the book I'm working on (The Maker Community Experience), *I* care, and I'm sure the intended audiences will care.</p>
<p>And for the record: the maker-hacker debate/delineation will be discussed, along with many other points of contention, but largely to illustrate that various maker/hacker communities are not in lockstep with each other, nor need or should they be. Describing origins (and cultures) helps illustrate that.</p>
<p>Carry on with the pissing contest.</p>
<p>;)</p>
<p>Randy</p>
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On August 12, 2014 at 2:13 PM matt <matt@nycresistor.com> wrote:
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The Hacker Foundation never had a physical space... but it was very real. And something of a proto effort to the newer hackerspace efforts.
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</div>There's many spaces in the US that preceed existing spaces that began in 2007 and beyond.
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I don't see what the point of this thread is. Who cares how shit starts?
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On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 2:48 PM, Mark Janssen
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<a href="mailto:whipboi@hotmail.com">whipboi@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:
<br /> > You forgot to refer to society as bourgeoisie. Again, someone attempting to
<br /> > bolt their political objectives to the hackerspace scene.
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</div>No, it's not "someone". It's _me_, generally speaking. I seem to be
<br /> the activist here, you don't have to disparage everyone else.
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<br /> > leaves out the L0pht and The Hacker Foundation in their history of
<br /> > hackerspaces only knows the most recent crop of spaces.
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</div>The L0pht was a dream that materialized only in print, though it still
<br /> may form the basis of the hackerspace ethos. The Hacker Foundation I
<br /> think you just made up.
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<br /> In any case, while everyone wants to ride the power of the idea, just
<br /> like in the formation of the US, there have been the true patriots
<br /> protecting those ideals. Richard Stallman and the Free Software
<br /> Foundation, for example. Unfortunately for us, there are many lazy
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