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I disagree when you frame that as an absolute. Sure, there CAN be negative outcomes when a maker/hacker space or organization has fixing societal problems as a goal, but it ain't necessarily so. It all comes down to defining the goal(s), having people to support them and for members with different goals to be respectful of each other and not get in each other's way.
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If as a makerspace member I put together a special interest group that builds remote wildlife monitoring stations for helping horned lizard conservation, and I don't disrupt anyone else in the process, then I'm positively hacking the planet and no one gets hurt. Win-win.
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Randy
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<br />> On July 3, 2014 at 12:21 PM Colin Keigher <general@keyboardcowboy.ca> wrote:
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<br />> This.
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<br />> Far too many people have gotten involved in the hackerspace/makerspace
<br />> movement who otherwise have no business being involved. Refugees and
<br />> rejects from Occupy and other activist movements have tried to get
<br />> involved in these spaces in the hopes that they'll make a difference via
<br />> a group that wasn't established for them to usurp. They contribute
<br />> virtually nothing to the space other than being disruptive to its
<br />> foundation.
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<br />> Hackerspaces and like-minded groups are not places to serve the needy,
<br />> they're there to create. Fixing societal problems is to be a byproduct
<br />> of what these spaces produce, not its end goal.
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<br />> The moment that you have members trying to make it the goal is the
<br />> moment the space is lost.
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<br />> On 03/07/2014 10:00, Al Billings wrote:
<br />> > No offense, really, but fuck your politics. :-)
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<br />> > Yes, hacking is more than making things. That doesn’t mean that if a space doesn’t embrace some anarchist ideology as its primary motivating force, it isn’t a hackerspace. I’m here to hack. If I want to feed the homeless, I’ll volunteer at a soup kitchen.
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<br />> > On Jul 3, 2014, at 9:58 AM, David Potocnik <david.potocnik@gmail.com> wrote:
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<br />> >> Hacking is more than just making stuff. Just making stuff is ....
<br />> >> fine. And that's me out of here.
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<br />> >> On 3 July 2014 18:48, Al Billings <albill@openbuddha.com> wrote:
<br />> >>> I’ve always found that to be a bullshit distinction. The only people that I know that use it are those that want to label someone’s hackerspace as a “makerspace” and not really a “hackerspace” because it doesn’t fit some personal criteria.
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<br />> >>> On Jul 3, 2014, at 9:46 AM, David Potocnik <david.potocnik@gmail.com> wrote:
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<br />> >>>> Hackerspaces vs Makerspaces.
<br />> > Al Billings
<br />> > albill@openbuddha.com
<br />> > http://makehacklearn.org
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