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I'd start by taking a peek at your space's bylaws, and see if they
include wording about removing directors who aren't functioning in
the organization's best interests. I'd also look for the same type
of information in whichever state or federal acts/bills that govern
the operation of your type of organization.<br>
<br>
That said, you may find a lawyer or law center who may offer free
advice, especially if you were setup as non-profit or a charity.<br>
<br>
Hope that helps,<br>
Ben<br>
<br>
On 7/2/2014 10:14 AM, Torrie Fischer wrote:<br>
<span style="white-space: pre;">> On Wednesday, July 02, 2014
09:45:00 Ben Brown wrote:<br>
>> (with limited information of what transpired)<br>
>><br>
>> I don't know how your space was setup legally (NFP,
charity or<br>
>> otherwise) but this seems horribly illegal, not to
mention it sounds<br>
>> like they're taking actions that the membership should be
able to<br>
>> dispute and dissolve the board over.<br>
><br>
> Any suggestion on how to get started that isn't "see a
lawyer"?<br>
><br>
> Seeing a lawyer is a viable option of course, but those can
be expensive <br>
> sometimes.<br>
><br>
>><br>
>> In Canada there is legal recourse if our directors were
to say, dissolve<br>
>> the corporation, empty the accounts and leave with the
equipment. If you<br>
>> were setup as a co-op or 501c3 I have to think something
similar applies<br>
>> in the states.<br>
>><br>
>> Ben<br>
>><br>
>> On 7/2/2014 9:32 AM, Torrie Fischer wrote:<br>
>>> On Wednesday, July 02, 2014 13:44:01 David Potocnik
wrote:<br>
>>>> There's another perspective to this.<br>
>>>> I guess Torrie & the hackers of Ackron are
going to be okay - they<br>
>>>> started a new space right? They moved their stuff
and got another<br>
>>>> lease and all is well?<br>
>>><br>
>>> Nope. Board took everything. They also took the $15k
in the banking<br>
>><br>
>> account<br>
>><br>
>>> and moved it to some other bank without informing the
membership or<br>
>><br>
>> anything,<br>
>><br>
>>> and is disregarding the portions of the bylaws that
explicitly state such<br>
>>> things need to have transparency.<br>
>>><br>
>>>> "Advice I give most folks starting a hackerspace,
start a community<br>
>>>> first. Find the people you want to start the
space with. Worry about<br>
>>>> that. because at the end of the day, even if you
don't have a space,<br>
>>>> that community is worth way way more."<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> ...Or just simplify building spaces (sharing
protocols & know-how),<br>
>>>> build a lot of them and cross-pollinate (travel,
hang out). Fork,<br>
>>>> collaborate, merge. Set up varieties, name them
and setup<br>
>>>> instances of them. Find and argue about good
practices and patterns<br>
>>>> with whoever comes to this platform.<br>
>>>> As the thing progresses on we'll keep having a
clearer and clearer<br>
>>>> cartography of different hacker belief systems,
and a better idea of<br>
>>>> how they can and cannot coexist.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> There is the more stable isotopos: Coworking
spaces, Makerspaces,<br>
>><br>
>> Fablabs.<br>
>><br>
>>>> I believe Hackerspaces and Hackbases (live-in
hackerspaces) should be<br>
>>>> unstable, and definitely not without politics.<br>
>>>> They should be, and sometimes are, avantgarde
experimental political<br>
>>>> machines.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Well said. One should be permitted to hack a
hackerspace, though in a non-<br>
>>> destructive fashion.<br>
>>><br>
>>>> David<br>
>>>> from CHT#1 hackbase /\/
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Cyberhippietotalism">http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Cyberhippietotalism</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On 2 July 2014 04:07, Ryan Rix
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ry@n.rix.si"><ry@n.rix.si></a> wrote:<br>
>>>>> matt <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:matt@nycresistor.com"><matt@nycresistor.com></a> writes:<br>
>>>>>> I think this boils down to the dichotomy
of hackerspace vs co-working<br>
>>>>>> space.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> If you build up infrastructure and expect
a community to show up in<br>
>>>>>> it, don't be surprised if more than one
community shows up, or the<br>
>>>>>> community that shows up is not one you
want to be a part of.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Noisebridge suffers the tragedy of the
commons in a pretty severe<br>
>>>>>> way... having had mole people living in
their basement and bi-polar<br>
>>>>>> homeless people show up and and claim
they are 'sleep hacking'.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> That's not what I am talking about. What
I am talking about is the<br>
>>>>>> last line in that piece :<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> "A lot of this can be traced to our
collective inability to remember<br>
>>>>>> our core pillars of consensus,
excellence, and do-ocracy. There is no<br>
>>>>>> one person or event that can be blamed.
As a community, we failed to<br>
>>>>>> hold close the values we had. We were
hacked by policy hackers."<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Now I don't know anything about synhak...
so I am just going to speak<br>
>>>>>> to the perspective brought forth by the
person who wrote this piece.<br>
>>>>>> This is a person who enjoyed the
community that arrived at synhak in<br>
>>>>>> the early days. As the space grew and
changed and time went on, so did<br>
>>>>>> the culture and so did the community.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> I think Torrie is talking specific
solutions but not seeing the forest<br>
>>>>>> through the trees. When torrie talks
about common values along side<br>
>>>>>> mission statement, and limiting growth of
new membership. What she is<br>
>>>>>> really talking about is fostering a
community rather than<br>
>>>>>> infrastructure. She's focusing more on
being with the people she wants<br>
>>>>>> to be with, than focusing on building a
space.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> And I think that has worked out very well
for NYC Resistor. We like<br>
>>>>>> each other. We've liked each other with
fairly decent success for 5-6<br>
>>>>>> years. And while folks have grown apart
and there has been some<br>
>>>>>> inevitable culture shift. The community
has remained strong.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> So, the answer is simple. Synhak like
noisebridge built a space. And<br>
>>>>>> communities fought for it, and some took
it and some lost it. Much<br>
>>>>>> like noisebridge. NYC Resistor built a
community in a coffee shop...<br>
>>>>>> everything else came later.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Advice I give most folks starting a
hackerspace, start a community<br>
>>>>>> first. Find the people you want to start
the space with. Worry about<br>
>>>>>> that. because at the end of the day, even
if you don't have a space,<br>
>>>>>> that community is worth way way more.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Well written, Matt.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> r<br>
>>>>>
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