<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><br><div>Begin forwarded message:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>From: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">Shirley Hicks <<a href="mailto:redmtnadmin@redmountainmakers.org">redmtnadmin@redmountainmakers.org</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>Subject: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;"><b>Re: [hackerspaces] Insurance for makerspace</b><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>Date: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">June 11, 2014 9:36:15 AM EDT<br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>To: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">Hackerspaces General Discussion List <<a href="mailto:discuss@lists.hackerspaces.org">discuss@lists.hackerspaces.org</a>><br></span></div><br><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=us-ascii"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">All three of new Alabama makerspaces ended up working through the same commercial broker in Birmingham, Blake Halveston of McGriff, Seibels & WIlliams (<a href="http://www.mcgriff.com/">http://www.mcgriff.com/</a>). A friend of mine in the local insurance business recommended this broker as having a lot of experience with insurance policies for non-profits. Further, he found an underwriter, Arch Specialties (<a href="http://www.archcapgroup.com/Insurance/Regions/United-States">http://www.archcapgroup.com/Insurance/Regions/United-States</a>), who has become familiar with makerspaces and their requirements within the United States. We were able to get three policies for the individual makerspaces written in pretty quick succession. <div><br></div><div>My recommendations would be to pass along the name of this underwriter to the _commercial_ broker with whom you are working; they now have sufficient experience with quoting makerspace insurance that they can walk through the process quickly. They are also tracking their claims records with makerspaces, and are starting to have a very good grip on the risk factors. McGriff, Siebels & Williams has offices across the United States.</div><div><br></div><div><div>Shirley Hicks</div><div>Board member-at-large</div><div>Red Mountain Makers</div><div>5502 1st Avenue North</div><div>Birmingham, AL 35212</div><div><br></div><div>Email: <a href="mailto:redmtnadm@redmountainmakers.org">redmtnadm@redmountainmakers.org</a></div><div><a href="http://www.redmountainmakers.org/">www.redmountainmakers.org</a></div><div>-----------------------------------------------------------</div><div>Home email: <a href="mailto:shirley@velochicdesign.com">shirley@velochicdesign.com</a></div></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Jun 2, 2014, at 9:28 AM, Bert Hartmann <<a href="mailto:berthartm@gmail.com">berthartm@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">Nick, I have a recommendation for a company a few of us in NJ are using. I'll send it to you off list.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 11:36 PM, Bob Bownes <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bownes@gmail.com" target="_blank">bownes@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<br><br></font></span></div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">Bob<br><br></font></span></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 10:28 PM, Ben Brown <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ben@generik.ca" target="_blank">ben@generik.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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We had some initial issues as well, but once one of the insurance
companies figured out how to classify us (they went with something
like 'private club workshop', we were flying. We didn't keep them in
the dark about what we did, and as a result they even made sure our
liability insurance covered events that we run outside of our space
(like Mini Maker Faire). <br>
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We upped our coverage when adding new big-ticket items, and also
when we moved into our new space about 1.5 years ago, still no
problems. Of course, we've never had to make a claim so far either.
That said, we assume that any colossal fuckup that gets lawyers
involved would likely close our doors anyway, regardless of how the
insurance lands.<br>
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Not sure how different it is in the US as opposed to Canada, but
they may have an easier time wrapping their head around it if you
refer to your space as a club or private workshop as opposed to a
hackerspace/makerspace. Don't leave out exactly what activities are
going on though.<br>
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Good luck,<br>
Ben<div><br>
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<div>On 5/31/2014 7:55 PM, Nick Pollara
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</div><blockquote type="cite"><p dir="ltr">I am setting up a makerspace in NJ and I am having
trouble getting g insurance. Does anyone have a recommendation?
</p><p dir="ltr">If this is a repeat question I apologize, but I have
not figured out to access the archives.</p><p dir="ltr">Thanks,</p><p dir="ltr">Nicolas Pollara</p>
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