<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body ><div>Yeah sorry about that copy/paste error. I usually just follow the thread.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div style="font-size:9px;color:#575757">Sent from my U.S. Cellular® Smartphone</div></div><br><br>-------- Original message --------<br>From: discuss-request@lists.hackerspaces.org <br>Date:06/06/2014 5:00 AM (GMT-06:00) <br>To: discuss@lists.hackerspaces.org <br>Subject: Discuss Digest, Vol 70, Issue 7 <br><br>Send Discuss mailing list submissions to<br> discuss@lists.hackerspaces.org<br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br> http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss<br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br> discuss-request@lists.hackerspaces.org<br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br> discuss-owner@lists.hackerspaces.org<br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>than "Re: Contents of Discuss digest..."<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. Re: Discuss Digest, Vol 70, Issue 6 (jesse)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 13:13:45 -0400 (EDT)<br>From: jesse <ransom1wi@aol.com><br>To: discuss@lists.hackerspaces.org<br>Subject: Re: [hackerspaces] Discuss Digest, Vol 70, Issue 6<br>Message-ID: <8D14EF8A465B1A6-9A4-73642@webmail-vd010.sysops.aol.com><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br><br>I don't want to race really but i can help with whatever. does grim reaper need a bad ass moxie car/ bike<br><br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: discuss-request <discuss-request@lists.hackerspaces.org><br>To: discuss <discuss@lists.hackerspaces.org><br>Sent: Wed, Jun 4, 2014 7:23 pm<br>Subject: Discuss Digest, Vol 70, Issue 6<br><br><br>Send Discuss mailing list submissions to<br> discuss@lists.hackerspaces.org<br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br> http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss<br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br> discuss-request@lists.hackerspaces.org<br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br> discuss-owner@lists.hackerspaces.org<br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>than "Re: Contents of Discuss digest..."<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. Re: where to do PhD hacker style - probably independent<br> funding needing just the stamp and official supervision<br> (Frantisek Apfelbeck)<br> 2. Re: Insurance for makerspace (john lunger)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 15:51:59 -0700 (PDT)<br>From: Frantisek Apfelbeck <algoldor@yahoo.com><br>To: Hackerspaces General Discussion List<br> <discuss@lists.hackerspaces.org><br>Subject: Re: [hackerspaces] where to do PhD hacker style - probably<br> independent funding needing just the stamp and official supervision<br>Message-ID:<br> <1401922319.90373.YahooMailNeo@web121503.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>Thanks for the replies,<br>my project is alternative mostly by the aim to do majority of it from an <br>independent lab, through funding which I would have to secure and by the fact <br>that I would come up with my own topic for the thesis. It is basically about <br>biofilm polycultures as kombucha, kefir, water kefir etc. and how to optimize <br>the technology to produce high quality fermented foods and beverages which would <br>be economically viable under small to medium business production scheme. First I <br>would focus on the structure of the cultures and their dynamics (I will add a <br>few new things here to the "scientific knowledge") using this inside/overview to <br>establish efficient and good quality techniques for their proliferation using <br>this technology to produce high quality fermented foods&beverages (here would <br>quite few new things which I would add), small to medium scale production. All <br>ending with a business model which would be tested in the real life showing that <br>it is viable (as a<br> combination of above again quite a progressive thing definitely in a field of <br>applied science or R&D transfer and application). If time allows (3-5 years is <br>not so much) I definitely want to develop a system of courses to teach it to <br>interested people and parties so it can spread more easily around the world - <br>again something what I've been doing for several years. That would make the <br>cycle complete, all open source as usually. <br>I'm doing this in a less academic manner for a while and I know it is actually <br>"in" and it has a great potential, it is more about finding a spot where I can <br>stay for 3-5 years having a base there to make it happen and having a PhD. <br>status when working on it from some UNI which would result in PhD. degree in the <br>field if things go well. It is highly likely I would do most of the work in <br>independent laboratories just partly collaborating with academy on parts of the <br>project, securing majority of the funding by myself, PhD. stipendium is <br>unlikely. So it is really mostly about the umbrella. Supervisors would be all <br>around the world :-) And yes I need another half year or so of discussion and <br>planning to come up with a really proper thesis proposal but I feel it is time <br>for me to open the discussion and start to look around more actively.<br><br>Sincerely,<br><br><br>Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck<br><br><br>biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker<br><br><br>http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org<br><br><br>"There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi<br><br><br><br>On Thursday, June 5, 2014 6:05 AM, Don Ankney <dankney@hackerco.de> wrote:<br> <br><br><br>I'm not sure how "alternative" what you're talking about is. In the US, ar <br>least, food science is a recognized discipline. Graduates generally end up <br>working for commercial food conglomerates working on the newest potato chip <br>(crisp) flavor.<br><br>While you"re likely interested in much less commercial applications of the <br>degree, I think the core academic programs are already established.<br><br><br><br><br><br>________________________________<br> From: Frantisek Apfelbeck<br>Sent: ?6/?4/?2014 3:46 AM<br>To: Hackerspaces Discussion List<br>Subject: [hackerspaces] where to do PhD hacker style - probably independent <br>funding needing just the stamp and official supervision<br><br><br>Hi to all,<br>I am thinking about doing a PhD. on the stuff which I do within the hacker <br>community for several years, my field is food&beverage biotech. I wonder if <br>people would know places/universities which would be friendly to the alternative <br>topics like these. I've a project which I'm working on and off for several years <br>now and I want to move it further forward considering it as a PhD project <br>actually, you can find rough info to get idea here<br><br>http://frantisekapfelbeck.org/doku.php?id=chihiro<br><br>Funding through the UNI would be nice but not necessary, I believe that I can <br>get most of the resources through crowdsourcing and another alternative ways <br>valuing my freedom than funds with strings. This means that long distance and <br>external supervisors etc. are fine with me but still I need to find place which <br>has the "qualification" to give me the PhD. at? the end. I'm Czech by the way so <br>EU should be more friendly for me and cheaper if I have to pay.<br><br><br>Many thanks for any info, I'll share it in the future with others who may go <br>similar path, it starting to be more frequent desire seems to me to get <br>recognition in the academic sector but use alternative base/approach and <br>fundings.<br><br><br>Sincerely from Jeju, South Korea,<br><br>Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck<br>PS I have master degree in genetic engineering and "on wait" master thesis in <br>biotech and good recommendation from both academic hacker community. The reason <br>for the PhD. is partly forcing myself to a more systematic approach and also <br>using the "possible PhD." to smoothen the ways to bring forward some of the <br>projects which lies ahead. <br><br> <br> chihiro [frantisekapfelbeck] <br>This project is focused on promotion and development of food sustainability in <br>local rural communities using variety of fermentation cultures and techniques. <br><br>View on frantisekapfelbeck.org Preview by Yahoo <br>?<br><br><br><br>biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker<br><br><br>http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org<br><br><br>"There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi<br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <http://lists.hackerspaces.org/pipermail/discuss/attachments/20140604/0426ddf7/attachment-0001.html><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 2<br>Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 17:23:29 -0700 (PDT)<br>From: john lunger <justj1915@yahoo.com><br>To: Hackerspaces General Discussion List<br> <discuss@lists.hackerspaces.org><br>Subject: Re: [hackerspaces] Insurance for makerspace<br>Message-ID:<br> <1401927809.41051.YahooMailNeo@web140404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br>I am in the US and also seeking insurance for outreach events and space. Please <br>send me info.?<br>?<br>Carolyn and John<br>Hayhackers-A Technology Playground<br>Nonprofit organization<br>http://www.hayhackers.org<br><br>To order essential oils or join the discount membership program from me :<br>http://www.mydoterra.com/clungerluvnhealth/<br><br><br><br><br><br>All proceeds fund the nonprofit organization above. ??<br><br><br>________________________________<br> From: Bert Hartmann <berthartm@gmail.com><br>To: Hackerspaces General Discussion List <discuss@lists.hackerspaces.org> <br>Sent: Monday, June 2, 2014 6:28 AM<br>Subject: Re: [hackerspaces] Insurance for makerspace<br> <br><br><br>Nick, I have a recommendation for a company a few of us in NJ are using. I'll <br>send it to you off list.<br><br><br><br><br><br>On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 11:36 PM, Bob Bownes <bownes@gmail.com> wrote:<br><br>We got ours under teh 'club' heading, were very upfront about what we do, gave <br>them a full list of equipment, and pointed out we got a sawstop table saw just <br>for the liability aspect. When they heard about the sawstop, they were pretty <br>thrilled.? We also gave them the outline for our safety programs. <br>><br>><br>>Bob<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>>On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 10:28 PM, Ben Brown <ben@generik.ca> wrote:<br>><br>>We had some initial issues as well, but once one of the insurance companies <br>figured out how to classify us (they went with something like 'private club <br>workshop', we were flying. We didn't keep them in the dark about what we did, <br>and as a result they even made sure our liability insurance covered events that <br>we run outside of our space (like Mini Maker Faire). <br>>><br>>>We upped our coverage when adding new big-ticket items, and also<br> when we moved into our new space about 1.5 years ago, still no<br> problems. Of course, we've never had to make a claim so far either.<br> That said, we assume that any colossal fuckup that gets lawyers<br> involved would likely close our doors anyway, regardless of how the<br> insurance lands.<br>>><br>>>Not sure how different it is in the US as opposed to Canada, but<br> they may have an easier time wrapping their head around it if you<br> refer to your space as a club or private workshop as opposed to a<br> hackerspace/makerspace. Don't leave out exactly what activities are<br> going on though.<br>>><br>>>Good luck,<br>>>Ben<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>>On 5/31/2014 7:55 PM, Nick Pollara wrote:<br>>><br>>>I am setting up a makerspace in NJ and I am having trouble getting g <br>insurance. 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