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 by the fact that I would come up with my own topic for the thesis. It is basically about biofilm polycultures as kombucha, kefir, water kefir etc. and how to optimize the technology to produce high quality fermented foods and beverages which would be economically viable under small to medium business production scheme. First I would focus on the structure of the cultures and their dynamics (I will add a few new things here to the "scientific knowledge") using this inside/overview to establish efficient and good quality techniques for their proliferation using this technology to produce high quality fermented foods&beverages (here would quite few new things which I would add), small to medium scale production. All ending with a business model which would be tested in the real life showing that it is viable (as a combination of above again quite a progressive thing definitely in a field of applied science or R&D transfer and application). If time
 allows (3-5 years is not so much) I definitely want to develop a system of courses to teach it to interested people and parties so it can spread more easily around the world - again something what I've been doing for several years. That would make the cycle complete, all open source as usually. </span></div><br style="" class=""><span class="" style="font-size:13px;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;">I'm doing this in a less academic manner for a while and I know it is actually "in" and it has a great potential, it is more about finding a spot where I can stay for 3-5 years having a base there to make it happen and having a PhD. status when working on it from some UNI which would result in PhD. degree in the field if things go well. It is highly likely I would do most of the work in independent laboratories just partly
 collaborating with academy on parts of the project, securing majority of the funding by myself, PhD. stipendium is unlikely. So it is really mostly about the umbrella. Supervisors would be all around the world :-) And yes I need another half year or so of discussion and planning to come up with a really proper thesis proposal but I feel it is time for me to open the discussion and start to look around more actively.</span><div class="" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div class="" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">Sincerely,<br></div><div class="" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica
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<div class="" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">I'm not sure how "alternative" what you're talking about is. In the US, ar least, food science is a recognized discipline. Graduates generally end up working for commercial food conglomerates working
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<span class="" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-weight:bold;">From:
</span><span class="" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><a style="" class="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:algoldor@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:algoldor@yahoo.com">Frantisek Apfelbeck</a></span><br style="" class="" clear="none">
<span class="" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-weight:bold;">Sent:
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<span class="" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-weight:bold;">To:
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</span><span class="" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">[hackerspaces] where to do PhD hacker style - probably independent funding needing just the stamp and official supervision</span><br style="" class="" clear="none">
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<span class="" style="font-size:13px;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;">I am thinking about doing a PhD. on the stuff which
 I do within the hacker community for several years, my field is food&beverage biotech. I wonder if people would know places/universities which would be friendly to the alternative topics like these. I've a project which I'm working on and off for several years
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 I believe that I can get most of the resources through crowdsourcing and another alternative ways valuing my freedom than funds with strings. This means that long distance and external supervisors etc. are fine with me but still I need to find place which
 has the "qualification" to give me the PhD. at  the end. I'm Czech by the way so EU should be more friendly for me and cheaper if I have to pay.<br style="" class="" clear="none">
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 with others who may go similar path, it starting to be more frequent desire seems to me to get recognition in the academic sector but use alternative base/approach and fundings.<br style="" class="" clear="none">
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 "on wait" master thesis in biotech and good recommendation from both academic hacker community. The reason for the PhD. is partly forcing myself to a more systematic approach and also using the "possible PhD." to smoothen the ways to bring forward some of
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