<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>For tl;dr people.</div><div><br></div><div>What we say is:</div><div>a) don't forget our history</div><div>b) look at the demographics of folks at hackerspaces (hasn't really changed since we published the pamphlet in 2009)</div><div>c) aim for reflection and change</div><div><br></div><div>That's it.</div><div><br></div><div><br>On 13 May 2014, at 17:27, Ben Brown <<a href="mailto:ben@generik.ca">ben@generik.ca</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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I've read that article before. I agree with some of it's positions,
though I question the notions that today's hackerspaces are actively
exclusionary of ethnic and social groups, and that they're doing
more harm than good if they're not expressly politically motivated.<br>
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I like to think that hackerspaces/makerspaces/whatever in general
are already rallying against the status quo simply by continually
existing and promoting alternative values in a consumerist and
predominantly anti-DIY society, regardless of whether the
counter-culturalists of decades ago approve or not.<br>
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Ben<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Required reading: "Hacking The Spaces" by Johannes
Grenzfurthner and Frank Apunkt Schneider. <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.monochrom.at/hacking-the-spaces/">http://www.monochrom.at/hacking-the-spaces/</a></div>
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<div class="">On 5/12/2014 8:16 PM, maxigas wrote:<br>
> I would argue that everything that came after
hackerspaces is merely<br>
> capitalising on the struggles and works of hackers to
invent an<br>
> attitude to technology which prooved to be immensely
innovative and<br>
> incredibly excititing, while deluting its politics
and denying their<br>
> roots because they don't have to figth for it the
same way any more.<br>
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This is where you lost me. What has (detrimentally) changed
now that the<br>
concept of hackerspaces is becoming popular? I don't believe
any space<br>
has ever clung to the exact ideals and philosophies of
another. Do you<br>
believe that new spaces don't need to fight for existence?<br>
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