<div dir="ltr">Provided you've presented options and costing for discussion to the members well ahead of a meeting I don't think it's unreasonable to expect them to either present another option (with costings/pros and cons) or deal with it and vote.<div>
<br></div><div>Committees to investigate options for everything is overkill, I agree. Committees and task-forces to implement projects are totally fine.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 2:53 PM, Torrie Fischer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tdfischer@hackerbots.net" target="_blank">tdfischer@hackerbots.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class="">On Wednesday, February 26, 2014 13:08:08 Bert Hartmann wrote:<br>
> Hey Torrie,<br>
><br>
> I don't know anything about your space, so this is all pure speculation on<br>
> my part, but if you don't have enough consensus to pass a budget, perhaps<br>
> you do need to open up the discussion to more people until they're<br>
> comfortable with the result? If you do have consensus, then it shouldn't be<br>
> an issue, and just approve the budget and move forward.<br>
<br>
</div>The budget isn't part of the issue. The issue is that the member is wanting to<br>
continuously form committees to evaluate every significant piece of our<br>
infrastructure budget. An overall budget committee is good, but not a budget<br>
committee, external hosted infrastructure committee, IT committee, floorplan<br>
committee, kitchen building committee, business development committee,<br>
outreach committee, and most other ideas.<br>
<br>
We've got 20 members. Its a bit overkill and micromanagement.<br>
<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
><br>
> I know in New Jersey the law requires our non-profit to have an annual<br>
> meeting with all the members about this time of year, where we<br>
> traditionally pass a budget for the year, among other things. Perhaps a<br>
> similar type of meeting for your group is healthy, so that no matter what<br>
> process develops the budget (1 man and a spreadsheet or 20 people in 20<br>
> meetings) there's a hard and fast deadline everyone's working towards so it<br>
> doesn't get out of control and you end up with a workable result to present<br>
> the rest of the group (who will presumably keep on hacking despite it).<br>
><br>
> Incidentally, to answer your last question: I've seen the role of the board<br>
> as handling all the bureaucratic stuff (rent, government filings, cleaning<br>
> the bathroom, budget negotiations) so that the hacking may go on unimpeded<br>
> for everyone else. Some of it's unavoidable, the trick is just to minimize<br>
> the impact to the organization at large and the members in specific.<br>
><br>
> my 2 cents,<br>
> Bert<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Torrie Fischer<br>
><br>
> <<a href="mailto:tdfischer@hackerbots.net">tdfischer@hackerbots.net</a>>wrote:<br>
> > Hi, discuss@!<br>
> ><br>
> > Lately at my hackerspace, we've had a member who is very interested in<br>
> > micromanaging the space. I'm currently both treasurer and AWS sysadmin for<br>
> > <a href="http://synhak.org" target="_blank">synhak.org</a>, where I proposed a budget to use some grant money we received<br>
> > to<br>
> > secure 3 year funding of our infrastructure.<br>
> ><br>
> > Time and time again, this member in question wants to form a committee or<br>
> > some<br>
> > equally stifling bureaucratic structure to analyze any change to the space<br>
> > under the guise of "investigating all the options".<br>
> ><br>
> > Micromanagement like this is totally against our culture, but it seems<br>
> > that<br>
> > there are one or two others who go along with it because it "makes sense".<br>
> ><br>
> > Whats the best way to kill bureaucratic micromanagement and protect the<br>
> > hacker<br>
> > ethos at a space?<br>
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