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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>We've been eating "edible batteries" for as long as we've had recorded history--this is what we call "lemons" and "potatoes" to say the least. Also, "lasing sugar crystals" sounds like "rock candy" to me, which originates from South Asia well before the term "hacker" was a thing. So far you have presented nothing new to the table other than a lame attempt to attempt to deflect the conversation.<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>I already answered your question in a previous e-mail so I ask you to e-mail hack the conversation as it might help you in your quest to attempt to legitimize the term "food hacker" however futile it may be.</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div><br>Kevin Mitnick<br>(May or may not be the Kevin you think I am)<br><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 20:02:37 -0800<br>From: jamie.schwettmann@gmail.com<br>To: discuss@lists.hackerspaces.org<br>Subject: Re: [hackerspaces] Let's end the unnecessary joining of the words "food" and "hacking"<br><br><div dir="ltr">Similarly, if I take some existing command line tools out of the pantry and prepare them in a script with an existing language, to use on an existing computer platform, over existing networks, how is this not just another "code preparation method" under your definition of "preparation"?</div>
<div class="ecxgmail_extra"><br><br><div class="ecxgmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 8:00 PM, Jamie Schwettmann <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jamie.schwettmann@gmail.com" target="_blank">jamie.schwettmann@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="ecxgmail_quote" style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div dir="ltr">I don't think lasing sugar crystals or making edible batteries count as "preparation methods", but OK.</div>
<div class="ecxHOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="ecxgmail_extra"><br><br><div class="ecxgmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Kevin Mitnick <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kevin.mitnick@outlook.com" target="_blank">kevin.mitnick@outlook.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><div dir="ltr">All you have described is a new process with working with foods. If I start to freeze curry, place it in a bag, vacuum seal it, and then cook it in boiling water without removing it from said bag, does it count as hacking? No. It just counts as a new preparation method.<div>
<br></div><div><br></div><div>The inability to differentiate between "food hacking" and "food preparation" here is astounding.<br><br><br>If I come up with a new method to wash clothes, does that make me a garment hacker?</div>
<div><br></div><div><div><br><br>Kevin Mitnick<br>(May or may not be the Kevin you think I am)<br><br></div><div><hr>Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 19:48:28 -0800<br>From: <a href="mailto:jamie.schwettmann@gmail.com" target="_blank">jamie.schwettmann@gmail.com</a><div>
<div><br>To: <a href="mailto:discuss@lists.hackerspaces.org" target="_blank">discuss@lists.hackerspaces.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [hackerspaces] Let's end the unnecessary joining of the words "food" and "hacking"<br>
<br><div dir="ltr">A few food hacking possibilities:<div><br></div><div>Vacuum-extracted coffee. </div><div>Nitrous-extracted coffee. </div><div>Synthesized caffeine. </div><div>Polymerized chocolate.</div><div>Polymerized cheese.</div>
<div>Polymerized gluten chains.</div><div>Edible batteries.</div><div>Sugar candy prisms -- sugar candy lasers?</div><div><br></div><div>I dare you to explain how/whether any of these could arise without invoking substantial technical detail, or to make them without using entirely the "wrong" tools in a haphazardly equipped hackerspace kitchen, or without inventing more tools, and still accurately predict the spectral analysis results that indicate success. Then, I dare you to test your spectral analysis predictions without inventing something on the spot... and it still has to be safe to eat afterwards. ;)</div>
<div><br></div><div>Bonus points: make all of these psychoactive.</div><div><br></div><div>- Jamie</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div>
<br><br><div>On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 7:21 PM, Kevin Mitnick <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kevin.mitnick@outlook.com" target="_blank">kevin.mitnick@outlook.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div><div dir="ltr">In some places it's illegal to call yourself an engineer with certain exceptions.<br><br><div><br></div><div>As a result, I reserve the right to not permit yourself to label yourself as a hacker. I can label you as someone who has an inability to contribute to a conversation without any meaningful content. I am assuming you're responding to my remarks on this mailing list due to the malaise you may experience questioning what you have chosen to label yourself?</div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Oh. The ego hacking that is being engaged in this thread. By the way, is engineering "hacking" too? Can I be a geotechnical hacker? A chemical hacker? A computer hac... oh wait.</div>
<div><div><br><br>Kevin Mitnick<br>(May or may not be the Kevin you think I am)<br><br></div><div>Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 18:45:19 -0800<br>From: <a href="mailto:rubin@starset.net" target="_blank">rubin@starset.net</a><div>
<br>To: <a href="mailto:discuss@lists.hackerspaces.org" target="_blank">discuss@lists.hackerspaces.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [hackerspaces] Let's end the unnecessary joining of the words "food" and "hacking"<br>
<br></div><div><div><pre>Kevin Mitnick wrote, On 2014-01-27 17:59:<br>> You amazingly managed to write a whole paragraph without actually<br>> explaining anything about what food hacking is.<br> <br>Why do you feel the need to tell others they cannot label themselves as<br>
they wish?<br> <br>-- <br>Rubin<br><a href="mailto:rubin@starset.net" target="_blank">rubin@starset.net</a><br> <br></pre><br></div></div><div>_______________________________________________
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