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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>To be honest, it's hard to take criticism from someone who willfully works for a company that engages in illegal behavior at the behest of the American government. Pray tell, what do you do with your "food hacking" abilities at this place of business? Is it further entrenching the hegemony that the US government has over food supply?<div><br></div><div><br><br>Kevin Mitnick<br>(May or may not be the Kevin you think I am)<br><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 20:42:28 -0800<br>From: jamie.schwettmann@gmail.com<br>To: discuss@lists.hackerspaces.org<br>Subject: Re: [hackerspaces] Let's end the unnecessary joining of the words "food" and "hacking"<br><br><div dir="ltr">Confirmation bias gonna bias. Meh.</div><div class="ecxgmail_extra"><br><br><div class="ecxgmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 8:40 PM, Kevin Mitnick <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kevin.mitnick@outlook.com" target="_blank">kevin.mitnick@outlook.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><br></div><div><br>It still doesn't describe food hacking.</div><div class="ecxim"><div><br></div><br><br>Kevin Mitnick<br>(May or may not be the Kevin you think I am)<br><br></div><div><hr>Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 20:23:41 -0800<br>
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<div class="h5"><br>Subject: Re: [hackerspaces] Let's end the unnecessary joining of the words "food" and "hacking"<br><br><div dir="ltr">Kevin, your ignorance is showing. "Crystal formation" != "lasing". "Lasing" means inducing a quantum state change in a crystal or gas using an oscillating or pulsed voltage, such that the electrons drop state in unison, releasing polarized photon bursts in a narrow frequency range. Like I said, you aren't going to have an easy time explaining how any of these things work (or not) without technical detail, let alone actually creating them without novel approaches.<div>
<br></div><div>Hacking often means exploiting the less-obvious features of a system to get an interesting result. I propose a string of fluorescent pickles lighting every hackerspace. =P</div></div><div>
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On January 27, 2014 at 9:58 PM Kevin Mitnick <<a href="mailto:kevin.mitnick@outlook.com" target="_blank">kevin.mitnick@outlook.com</a>> wrote:
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All you have described is a new process with working with foods. If I start to freeze curry, place it in a bag, vacuum seal it, and then cook it in boiling water without removing it from said bag, does it count as hacking? No. It just counts as a new preparation method.
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The inability to differentiate between "food hacking" and "food preparation" here is astounding.
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<br>If I come up with a new method to wash clothes, does that make me a garment hacker?
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A few food hacking possibilities:
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Vacuum-extracted coffee.
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Nitrous-extracted coffee.
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Synthesized caffeine.
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Polymerized chocolate.
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Edible batteries.
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Sugar candy prisms -- sugar candy lasers?
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I dare you to explain how/whether any of these could arise without invoking substantial technical detail, or to make them without using entirely the "wrong" tools in a haphazardly equipped hackerspace kitchen, or without inventing more tools, and still accurately predict the spectral analysis results that indicate success. Then, I dare you to test your spectral analysis predictions without inventing something on the spot... and it still has to be safe to eat afterwards. ;)
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Bonus points: make all of these psychoactive.
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On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 7:21 PM, Kevin Mitnick
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In some places it's illegal to call yourself an engineer with certain exceptions.
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As a result, I reserve the right to not permit yourself to label yourself as a hacker. I can label you as someone who has an inability to contribute to a conversation without any meaningful content. I am assuming you're responding to my remarks on this mailing list due to the malaise you may experience questioning what you have chosen to label yourself?
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Oh. The ego hacking that is being engaged in this thread. By the way, is engineering "hacking" too? Can I be a geotechnical hacker? A chemical hacker? A computer hac... oh wait.
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<pre>Kevin Mitnick wrote, On 2014-01-27 17:59:<br>> You amazingly managed to write a whole paragraph without actually<br>> explaining anything about what food hacking is.<br> <br>Why do you feel the need to tell others they cannot label themselves as<br>
they wish?<br> <br>-- <br>Rubin<br><a href="mailto:rubin@starset.net" target="_blank">rubin@starset.net</a><br> </pre>
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