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</head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">Just because hackers 
haven't written on this topic doesn't mean it isn't true. Most women 
won't come out and discuss sexism and misogyny in hackerspaces for fear 
of retribution or general disregard. <br>
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On that note, maybe it's time for an article from hackers. If any women 
in hackerspaces have stories of sexism they'd like to share with me for 
an article, I put together a quick form: 
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1FzjcEeNgzZfqdkhe3_6EU-Mp_xau4ppaOfN2o2vTMWU/viewform">https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1FzjcEeNgzZfqdkhe3_6EU-Mp_xau4ppaOfN2o2vTMWU/viewform</a><br>
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  <div style="color:#888888;margin-left:24px;margin-right:24px;" 
__pbrmquotes="true" class="__pbConvBody"><div dir="ltr">none of those 
links are from hackers or hacker related sources.<br></div><div 
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<div>_______________________________________________<br>Discuss mailing 
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  <font color="#9FA2A5"><span style="padding-left:6px">January 26, 2014 
8:17 PM</span></font></div></div></div>
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 list of links about hacker culture and diversity for your reading 
pleasure.</div><div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; 
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style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color: 
rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;" id="bloop_customfont"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/2013/09/11/221052414/sexism-in-the-tech-industry-takes-center-stage">http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/2013/09/11/221052414/sexism-in-the-tech-industry-takes-center-stage</a></div><div
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rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;" id="bloop_customfont"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.fsinf.at/dear-hacker-community-%E2%80%93-we-need-talk">https://www.fsinf.at/dear-hacker-community-%E2%80%93-we-need-talk</a></div><div
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 style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color: 
rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;" id="bloop_customfont"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://blogs.westword.com/showandtell/2013/09/the_problem_of_dickwolves.php">http://blogs.westword.com/showandtell/2013/09/the_problem_of_dickwolves.php</a></div><div
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rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;" id="bloop_customfont"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-57495650-83/sexism-and-the-single-hacker-defcons-feminist-moment/">http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-57495650-83/sexism-and-the-single-hacker-defcons-feminist-moment/</a></div><div
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 style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color: 
rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;" id="bloop_customfont"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.wired.com/opinion/2013/03/richards-affair-and-misogyny-in-tech/">http://www.wired.com/opinion/2013/03/richards-affair-and-misogyny-in-tech/</a></div><div
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rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;" id="bloop_customfont"><br></div><div
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rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;" id="bloop_customfont"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://pando.com/2013/08/31/hackers-and-sexism-at-defcon/">http://pando.com/2013/08/31/hackers-and-sexism-at-defcon/</a></div><div
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rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;" id="bloop_customfont"><br></div><div
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rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;" id="bloop_customfont"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://io9.com/5938698/the-great-geek-sexism-debate">http://io9.com/5938698/the-great-geek-sexism-debate</a></div><div
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rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;" id="bloop_customfont"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://blogs.osuosl.org/gchaix/2010/11/07/open-source-misogyny/">http://blogs.osuosl.org/gchaix/2010/11/07/open-source-misogyny/</a></div><div
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rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;" id="bloop_customfont"><br></div><div>_______________________________________________<br>Discuss
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!important;padding-right:6px;font-weight:bold;text-decoration:none 
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  <font color="#9FA2A5"><span style="padding-left:6px">January 26, 2014 
8:11 PM</span></font></div></div></div>
  <div style="color:#888888;margin-left:24px;margin-right:24px;" 
__pbrmquotes="true" class="__pbConvBody"><div dir="ltr">or Al, we don't 
accept people who display those traits in the first place then we don't 
need to worry about it.<div><br></div><div>Perhaps that's the problem 
you have.  If you're inclusive of assholes then you have to have rules, 
policies and signs.  I hate to tell you, but rules, policies and signs 
do not change assholes.  They embolden them.</div>
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<div>_______________________________________________<br>Discuss mailing 
list<br><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Discuss@lists.hackerspaces.org">Discuss@lists.hackerspaces.org</a><br><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss">http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss</a><br></div></div>
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  <font color="#9FA2A5"><span style="padding-left:6px">January 26, 2014 
7:56 PM</span></font></div></div></div>
  <div style="color:#888888;margin-left:24px;margin-right:24px;" 
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 style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color: 
rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;" id="bloop_customfont">You
 mean one that someone said something about. How do you know that female
 visitors haven’t simply failed to return because of leering, 
mainsplaining, or various other behaviors? You don’t. The fact that 
you’re unwilling to even state a public policy against such things mean 
that when (not if but when) they happen, women won’t necessarily assume 
that the person is an outlier but that it is accepted behavior. Then 
they leave. </div><div 
style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color: 
rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;" id="bloop_customfont"><br></div><div
 style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color: 
rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;" id="bloop_customfont">Really,
 it is like Diversity 101 here. You’ve never bothered to think about any
 of this stuff before from something other than your own point of view, 
have you?</div><div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; 
color: rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;" 
id="bloop_customfont"><br></div> <div style="color:gray"><hr 
style="style:linear">From: <span style="color:black">Red Davies</span> <a
 moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:noiddicle@gmail.com">Red Davies</a><br>Reply: <span
 style="color:black">Hackerspaces General Discussion List</span> <a 
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:discuss@lists.hackerspaces.org">discuss@lists.hackerspaces.org</a><br>Date: <span
 style="color:black">January 26, 2014 at 7:56:18 PM</span><br>To: <span 
style="color:black">Hackerspaces General Discussion List</span> <a 
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:discuss@lists.hackerspaces.org">discuss@lists.hackerspaces.org</a><br>Subject: <span
 style="color:black"> Re: [hackerspaces] Safe Space Policies? <br></span></div>
  <div class="bloop_sign" id="bloop_sign_1390794882728328960"><span 
style="font-family:helvetica,arial;font-size:13px"></span>-- <br>Al 
Billings<br><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://makehacklearn.org">http://makehacklearn.org</a><div><br></div></div><div>_______________________________________________<br>Discuss
 mailing list<br><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Discuss@lists.hackerspaces.org">Discuss@lists.hackerspaces.org</a><br><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss">http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss</a><br></div></div>
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#EDEEF0;padding-top:5px">       <div 
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src="cid:part3.05010109.05020707@gmail.com" 
name="compose-unknown-contact.jpg" height="25px" width="25px"></div>   <div
 
style="display:table-cell;white-space:nowrap;vertical-align:middle;width:100%">
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style="color:#737F92 
!important;padding-right:6px;font-weight:bold;text-decoration:none 
!important;">Red Davies</a></div>   <div 
style="display:table-cell;white-space:nowrap;vertical-align:middle;">   
  <font color="#9FA2A5"><span style="padding-left:6px">January 26, 2014 
7:56 PM</span></font></div></div></div>
  <div style="color:#888888;margin-left:24px;margin-right:24px;" 
__pbrmquotes="true" class="__pbConvBody"><div dir="ltr">So, I can answer
 that question easily.<div><br></div><div>When people walk into the 
space they are always welcomed.  You know, by an individual and not a 
fucking sign.  We welcome them, ask them what their interests are, 
introduce them to people who have similar interests, give them the 2c 
tour, get them to sign a waiver and GENUINELY welcome them in on the 
basis that they are breathing[0] and interested in the same stuff we 
are.</div>
<div><br>A sign is worthless if you don't have a community that lives 
it.</div><div><br></div><div>If you have a community that lives it then 
the sign is redundant.<br><br>We've had one case of lecherous behavior 
towards a female guest.  We made **him** the prey.  Once he became prey 
he learned **WHY** his behavior was unacceptable (and we never saw him 
again).  That's a two-for-one!</div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Red</div><div>[0] To 
be clear, zombies would probably be welcome too - we've just not tried 
recruiting any by, you know... hanging out in graveyards, political 
rallies etc...</div>
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<div class="moz-signature">-- <br><span><span><div><small><font 
color="#000000"><big>Madelynn Martiniere<br>

Community Engineer. Entrepreneur. Geek.</big><big><br>
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