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</head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">Just because hackers
haven't written on this topic doesn't mean it isn't true. Most women
won't come out and discuss sexism and misogyny in hackerspaces for fear
of retribution or general disregard. <br>
<br>
On that note, maybe it's time for an article from hackers. If any women
in hackerspaces have stories of sexism they'd like to share with me for
an article, I put together a quick form:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1FzjcEeNgzZfqdkhe3_6EU-Mp_xau4ppaOfN2o2vTMWU/viewform">https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1FzjcEeNgzZfqdkhe3_6EU-Mp_xau4ppaOfN2o2vTMWU/viewform</a><br>
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photoaddress="matt@nycresistor.com" photoname="matt"
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<font color="#9FA2A5"><span style="padding-left:6px">January 26, 2014
8:22 PM</span></font></div></div></div>
<div style="color:#888888;margin-left:24px;margin-right:24px;"
__pbrmquotes="true" class="__pbConvBody"><div dir="ltr">none of those
links are from hackers or hacker related sources.<br></div><div
class="gmail_extra"><br><br><br></div>
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photoaddress="albill@openbuddha.com" photoname="Al Billings"
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height="25px" width="25px"></div> <div
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style="color:#737F92
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!important;">Al Billings</a></div> <div
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<font color="#9FA2A5"><span style="padding-left:6px">January 26, 2014
8:17 PM</span></font></div></div></div>
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rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;" id="bloop_customfont">A
list of links about hacker culture and diversity for your reading
pleasure.</div><div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;
color: rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;"
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style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color:
rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;" id="bloop_customfont"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/2013/09/11/221052414/sexism-in-the-tech-industry-takes-center-stage">http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/2013/09/11/221052414/sexism-in-the-tech-industry-takes-center-stage</a></div><div
style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color:
rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;" id="bloop_customfont"><br></div><div
style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color:
rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;" id="bloop_customfont"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.fsinf.at/dear-hacker-community-%E2%80%93-we-need-talk">https://www.fsinf.at/dear-hacker-community-%E2%80%93-we-need-talk</a></div><div
style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color:
rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;" id="bloop_customfont"><br></div><div
style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color:
rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;" id="bloop_customfont"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://blogs.westword.com/showandtell/2013/09/the_problem_of_dickwolves.php">http://blogs.westword.com/showandtell/2013/09/the_problem_of_dickwolves.php</a></div><div
style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color:
rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;" id="bloop_customfont"><br></div><div
style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color:
rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;" id="bloop_customfont"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-57495650-83/sexism-and-the-single-hacker-defcons-feminist-moment/">http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-57495650-83/sexism-and-the-single-hacker-defcons-feminist-moment/</a></div><div
style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color:
rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;" id="bloop_customfont"><br></div><div
style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color:
rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;" id="bloop_customfont"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.wired.com/opinion/2013/03/richards-affair-and-misogyny-in-tech/">http://www.wired.com/opinion/2013/03/richards-affair-and-misogyny-in-tech/</a></div><div
style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color:
rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;" id="bloop_customfont"><br></div><div
style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color:
rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;" id="bloop_customfont"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://pando.com/2013/08/31/hackers-and-sexism-at-defcon/">http://pando.com/2013/08/31/hackers-and-sexism-at-defcon/</a></div><div
style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color:
rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;" id="bloop_customfont"><br></div><div
style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color:
rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;" id="bloop_customfont"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://io9.com/5938698/the-great-geek-sexism-debate">http://io9.com/5938698/the-great-geek-sexism-debate</a></div><div
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rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;" id="bloop_customfont"><br></div><div
style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color:
rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;" id="bloop_customfont"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://blogs.osuosl.org/gchaix/2010/11/07/open-source-misogyny/">http://blogs.osuosl.org/gchaix/2010/11/07/open-source-misogyny/</a></div><div
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style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color:
rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;" id="bloop_customfont"><br></div><div>_______________________________________________<br>Discuss
mailing list<br><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Discuss@lists.hackerspaces.org">Discuss@lists.hackerspaces.org</a><br><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss">http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss</a><br></div></div>
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photoaddress="noiddicle@gmail.com" photoname="Red Davies"
src="cid:part3.05010109.05020707@gmail.com"
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<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:noiddicle@gmail.com"
style="color:#737F92
!important;padding-right:6px;font-weight:bold;text-decoration:none
!important;">Red Davies</a></div> <div
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<font color="#9FA2A5"><span style="padding-left:6px">January 26, 2014
8:11 PM</span></font></div></div></div>
<div style="color:#888888;margin-left:24px;margin-right:24px;"
__pbrmquotes="true" class="__pbConvBody"><div dir="ltr">or Al, we don't
accept people who display those traits in the first place then we don't
need to worry about it.<div><br></div><div>Perhaps that's the problem
you have. If you're inclusive of assholes then you have to have rules,
policies and signs. I hate to tell you, but rules, policies and signs
do not change assholes. They embolden them.</div>
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photoaddress="albill@openbuddha.com" photoname="Al Billings"
src="cid:part2.02010205.06070109@gmail.com" name="postbox-contact.jpg"
height="25px" width="25px"></div> <div
style="display:table-cell;white-space:nowrap;vertical-align:middle;width:100%">
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:albill@openbuddha.com"
style="color:#737F92
!important;padding-right:6px;font-weight:bold;text-decoration:none
!important;">Al Billings</a></div> <div
style="display:table-cell;white-space:nowrap;vertical-align:middle;">
<font color="#9FA2A5"><span style="padding-left:6px">January 26, 2014
7:56 PM</span></font></div></div></div>
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mean one that someone said something about. How do you know that female
visitors haven’t simply failed to return because of leering,
mainsplaining, or various other behaviors? You don’t. The fact that
you’re unwilling to even state a public policy against such things mean
that when (not if but when) they happen, women won’t necessarily assume
that the person is an outlier but that it is accepted behavior. Then
they leave. </div><div
style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color:
rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;" id="bloop_customfont"><br></div><div
style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color:
rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;" id="bloop_customfont">Really,
it is like Diversity 101 here. You’ve never bothered to think about any
of this stuff before from something other than your own point of view,
have you?</div><div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;
color: rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;"
id="bloop_customfont"><br></div> <div style="color:gray"><hr
style="style:linear">From: <span style="color:black">Red Davies</span> <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:noiddicle@gmail.com">Red Davies</a><br>Reply: <span
style="color:black">Hackerspaces General Discussion List</span> <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:discuss@lists.hackerspaces.org">discuss@lists.hackerspaces.org</a><br>Date: <span
style="color:black">January 26, 2014 at 7:56:18 PM</span><br>To: <span
style="color:black">Hackerspaces General Discussion List</span> <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:discuss@lists.hackerspaces.org">discuss@lists.hackerspaces.org</a><br>Subject: <span
style="color:black"> Re: [hackerspaces] Safe Space Policies? <br></span></div>
<div class="bloop_sign" id="bloop_sign_1390794882728328960"><span
style="font-family:helvetica,arial;font-size:13px"></span>-- <br>Al
Billings<br><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://makehacklearn.org">http://makehacklearn.org</a><div><br></div></div><div>_______________________________________________<br>Discuss
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style="display:table;width:100%;border-top:1px solid
#EDEEF0;padding-top:5px"> <div
style="display:table-cell;vertical-align:middle;padding-right:6px;"><img
photoaddress="noiddicle@gmail.com" photoname="Red Davies"
src="cid:part3.05010109.05020707@gmail.com"
name="compose-unknown-contact.jpg" height="25px" width="25px"></div> <div
style="display:table-cell;white-space:nowrap;vertical-align:middle;width:100%">
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:noiddicle@gmail.com"
style="color:#737F92
!important;padding-right:6px;font-weight:bold;text-decoration:none
!important;">Red Davies</a></div> <div
style="display:table-cell;white-space:nowrap;vertical-align:middle;">
<font color="#9FA2A5"><span style="padding-left:6px">January 26, 2014
7:56 PM</span></font></div></div></div>
<div style="color:#888888;margin-left:24px;margin-right:24px;"
__pbrmquotes="true" class="__pbConvBody"><div dir="ltr">So, I can answer
that question easily.<div><br></div><div>When people walk into the
space they are always welcomed. You know, by an individual and not a
fucking sign. We welcome them, ask them what their interests are,
introduce them to people who have similar interests, give them the 2c
tour, get them to sign a waiver and GENUINELY welcome them in on the
basis that they are breathing[0] and interested in the same stuff we
are.</div>
<div><br>A sign is worthless if you don't have a community that lives
it.</div><div><br></div><div>If you have a community that lives it then
the sign is redundant.<br><br>We've had one case of lecherous behavior
towards a female guest. We made **him** the prey. Once he became prey
he learned **WHY** his behavior was unacceptable (and we never saw him
again). That's a two-for-one!</div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Red</div><div>[0] To
be clear, zombies would probably be welcome too - we've just not tried
recruiting any by, you know... hanging out in graveyards, political
rallies etc...</div>
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color="#000000"><big>Madelynn Martiniere<br>
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