<div dir="ltr"><div>You know what Al. I think the right way for me to handle this is to troll you mercilessly. And the best way to troll someone, is to agree with them and help them fight the terrible fight. So in the spirit of being friends, I will endeavor to build the BEST diversity sign of all time. It may take me months to assemble it. But I will do my level best to build the best diversity sign EVER.<br>
<br></div>I swear by allah and the mighty prophet obi wan kenobi I will succeed.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 11:48 PM, Madelynn Martiniere <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mmartiniere@gmail.com" target="_blank">mmartiniere@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">Just because hackers
haven't written on this topic doesn't mean it isn't true. Most women
won't come out and discuss sexism and misogyny in hackerspaces for fear
of retribution or general disregard. <br>
<br>
On that note, maybe it's time for an article from hackers. If any women
in hackerspaces have stories of sexism they'd like to share with me for
an article, I put together a quick form:
<a href="https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1FzjcEeNgzZfqdkhe3_6EU-Mp_xau4ppaOfN2o2vTMWU/viewform" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1FzjcEeNgzZfqdkhe3_6EU-Mp_xau4ppaOfN2o2vTMWU/viewform</a><br>
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<a href="mailto:matt@nycresistor.com" style="color:#737f92!important;padding-right:6px;font-weight:bold;text-decoration:none!important" target="_blank">matt</a></div> <div style="display:table-cell;white-space:nowrap;vertical-align:middle">
<font color="#9FA2A5"><span style="padding-left:6px">January 26, 2014
8:22 PM</span></font></div></div></div>
<div style="color:#888888;margin-left:24px;margin-right:24px"><div class="im"><div dir="ltr">none of those
links are from hackers or hacker related sources.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><br></div>
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<a href="mailto:albill@openbuddha.com" style="color:#737f92!important;padding-right:6px;font-weight:bold;text-decoration:none!important" target="_blank">Al Billings</a></div> <div style="display:table-cell;white-space:nowrap;vertical-align:middle">
<font color="#9FA2A5"><span style="padding-left:6px">January 26, 2014
8:17 PM</span></font></div></div></div><div class="im">
<div style="color:#888888;margin-left:24px;margin-right:24px"><div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto">A
list of links about hacker culture and diversity for your reading
pleasure.</div><div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto"><br></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto">
<a href="http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/2013/09/11/221052414/sexism-in-the-tech-industry-takes-center-stage" target="_blank">http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/2013/09/11/221052414/sexism-in-the-tech-industry-takes-center-stage</a></div>
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<a href="https://www.fsinf.at/dear-hacker-community-%E2%80%93-we-need-talk" target="_blank">https://www.fsinf.at/dear-hacker-community-%E2%80%93-we-need-talk</a></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto">
<br></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto"><a href="http://blogs.westword.com/showandtell/2013/09/the_problem_of_dickwolves.php" target="_blank">http://blogs.westword.com/showandtell/2013/09/the_problem_of_dickwolves.php</a></div>
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<a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-57495650-83/sexism-and-the-single-hacker-defcons-feminist-moment/" target="_blank">http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-57495650-83/sexism-and-the-single-hacker-defcons-feminist-moment/</a></div>
<div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto"><br></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto">
<a href="http://www.wired.com/opinion/2013/03/richards-affair-and-misogyny-in-tech/" target="_blank">http://www.wired.com/opinion/2013/03/richards-affair-and-misogyny-in-tech/</a></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto">
<br></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto"><a href="http://pando.com/2013/08/31/hackers-and-sexism-at-defcon/" target="_blank">http://pando.com/2013/08/31/hackers-and-sexism-at-defcon/</a></div>
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<a href="http://io9.com/5938698/the-great-geek-sexism-debate" target="_blank">http://io9.com/5938698/the-great-geek-sexism-debate</a></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto">
<br></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto"><a href="http://blogs.osuosl.org/gchaix/2010/11/07/open-source-misogyny/" target="_blank">http://blogs.osuosl.org/gchaix/2010/11/07/open-source-misogyny/</a></div>
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<font color="#9FA2A5"><span style="padding-left:6px">January 26, 2014
8:11 PM</span></font></div></div></div>
<div style="color:#888888;margin-left:24px;margin-right:24px"><div class="im"><div dir="ltr">or Al, we don't
accept people who display those traits in the first place then we don't
need to worry about it.<div><br></div><div>Perhaps that's the problem
you have. If you're inclusive of assholes then you have to have rules,
policies and signs. I hate to tell you, but rules, policies and signs
do not change assholes. They embolden them.</div>
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<a href="mailto:albill@openbuddha.com" style="color:#737f92!important;padding-right:6px;font-weight:bold;text-decoration:none!important" target="_blank">Al Billings</a></div> <div style="display:table-cell;white-space:nowrap;vertical-align:middle">
<font color="#9FA2A5"><span style="padding-left:6px">January 26, 2014
7:56 PM</span></font></div></div></div>
</div><div style="color:#888888;margin-left:24px;margin-right:24px"><div class="im"><div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto">You
mean one that someone said something about. How do you know that female
visitors haven’t simply failed to return because of leering,
mainsplaining, or various other behaviors? You don’t. The fact that
you’re unwilling to even state a public policy against such things mean
that when (not if but when) they happen, women won’t necessarily assume
that the person is an outlier but that it is accepted behavior. Then
they leave. </div><div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto"><br></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto">
Really,
it is like Diversity 101 here. You’ve never bothered to think about any
of this stuff before from something other than your own point of view,
have you?</div><div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto"><br></div> <div style="color:gray"><hr>From: <span style="color:black">Red Davies</span> <a href="mailto:noiddicle@gmail.com" target="_blank">Red Davies</a><br>
Reply: <span style="color:black">Hackerspaces General Discussion List</span> <a href="mailto:discuss@lists.hackerspaces.org" target="_blank">discuss@lists.hackerspaces.org</a><br>Date: <span style="color:black">January 26, 2014 at 7:56:18 PM</span><br>
To: <span style="color:black">Hackerspaces General Discussion List</span> <a href="mailto:discuss@lists.hackerspaces.org" target="_blank">discuss@lists.hackerspaces.org</a><br>Subject: <span style="color:black"> Re: [hackerspaces] Safe Space Policies? <br>
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</div><div class="im"><div><span style="font-family:helvetica,arial;font-size:13px"></span>-- <br>Al
Billings<br><a href="http://makehacklearn.org" target="_blank">http://makehacklearn.org</a><div><br></div></div></div><div class="im"><div>_______________________________________________<br>Discuss
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<a href="mailto:noiddicle@gmail.com" style="color:#737f92!important;padding-right:6px;font-weight:bold;text-decoration:none!important" target="_blank">Red Davies</a></div> <div style="display:table-cell;white-space:nowrap;vertical-align:middle">
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</div><div style="color:#888888;margin-left:24px;margin-right:24px"><div class="im"><div dir="ltr">So, I can answer
that question easily.<div><br></div><div>When people walk into the
space they are always welcomed. You know, by an individual and not a
fucking sign. We welcome them, ask them what their interests are,
introduce them to people who have similar interests, give them the 2c
tour, get them to sign a waiver and GENUINELY welcome them in on the
basis that they are breathing[0] and interested in the same stuff we
are.</div>
<div><br>A sign is worthless if you don't have a community that lives
it.</div><div><br></div><div>If you have a community that lives it then
the sign is redundant.<br><br>We've had one case of lecherous behavior
towards a female guest. We made **him** the prey. Once he became prey
he learned **WHY** his behavior was unacceptable (and we never saw him
again). That's a two-for-one!</div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Red</div><div>[0] To
be clear, zombies would probably be welcome too - we've just not tried
recruiting any by, you know... hanging out in graveyards, political
rallies etc...</div>
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<div>-- <br><span><span><div><small><font color="#000000"><big>Madelynn Martiniere<br>
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