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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'><div>You mean to tell me you were unable to work the word bourgeois into the Pangaia Project? I think my previous tirade also sums up this piece of work:</div><div><a href="http://lists.hackerspaces.org/pipermail/discuss/2013-July/008163.html" target="_blank">http://lists.hackerspaces.org/pipermail/discuss/2013-July/008163.html</a></div><div><br></div><div>With my apologies to Florencia for getting off-topic, that is all.</div><div>-boi</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">On Jan 21, 2014, at 8:40 PM, Mark Janssen wrote:</div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12pt; "><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; "><div>On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 7:45 AM, Florencia Edwards <floev22@gmail.com> wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">Dear hackerspaces, how do you deal with a tired staff. I'm one of them, it<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">seems like we work work work, and every day there are less members, less<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">people willing to give something back to the space and we get the feeling<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">that the majority just wants to take and doesn't share , wants discounts,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">and to get free materials but they never give anything to anyone. There<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">are people that think we are millionaires and want to take part of the cut<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">any way they can.<br></blockquote><br>Florencia,<br><br>Thanks for writing this message. This is an issue that, despite being<br>solved in theory, has not been able to catch up with those like<br>yourself who deal with the concrete situation, as it stands NOW.<br><br>There are two issues: scaling for hackerspaces will require a new<br>infrastructure that goes beyond the normal business mindset of<br>matching expenses with revenue.<br><br>The other issue is that nearly everyone doesn't realize how this<br>nascent economy is really *the* solution to a problem which nearly no<br>leader has addressed. Obama, for example, knows that he hasn't solved<br>the economic problems (for example, issues raised in the Occupy<br>movement), but yet no leader has sought out those who DO know how to<br>solve the problems. Hackerspaces are part of the solution, but you<br>need the narrative that conveys how important it is, so the community<br>starts working for YOU, rather than you working for it. By<br>"community" I mean the whole city (government, academic, and<br>commercial sectors) working to help make you successful.<br><br>I have a comprehensive package for selling the hackerlab/makerspace<br>paradigm to those with the assets and power, *along with* the<br>tech/infrastructure to facilitate the movement to make it accelerate<br>to self-sustainability. Contact me if you need help -- or read the<br>pages at pangaia.sf.net.<br><br><blockquote type="cite">Any advice, or just share our pain hehe, we should make hackerspaces blues.<br></blockquote><br>Hopefully, I'm not too late.... ;^)<br><br>Mark Janssen<br>St. Paul, MN<br>_______________________________________________<br>Discuss mailing list<br>Discuss@lists.hackerspaces.org<br>http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss<br></div></blockquote></div><div><div><br></div></div> </div></body>
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