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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi,<br>
<br>
At SYN/HAK in Akron, OH, we have an informal policy of "If it is
laying around the space, it's fair game". You can designate items
as not fair-game for hacking by placing a sticker clearly on the
object that reads "do not hack". The "timeout" question is
basically, if something's been sitting in the middle of the space
for a month, and no one has touched it, and no progress has been
made on it, the polite thing to do would be send an email to the
discuss list and make sure that no one is actively working on it
before moving it. Perhaps posting a note on the thing for a week
or so would be cool, too.<br>
<br>
So far, the "do not hack" stickers have been working rather well
(with one notable exception where some rare RAM was accidentally
taken for a project which made the RAM unusable - Sorry Andy!). I
like the way it works, and so far, I haven't heard any major
complaints about it, either.<br>
<br>
For reference, we have about 1700 sq ft and 17ish members. And
space is getting a bit tight (then again, we have some rather
large projects taking up space in the space at this moment).<br>
<br>
For the question of do we allow members to store stuff, yes. We
provide each member with a designated storage location for
projects (a toolbox or bin right now) that is officially
off-limits to go scavenging through by other members, and the
members have the option to lock those bins at their discretion.<br>
<br>
We also have a "crap that just got donated" pile, and a "crap
that's on its way out the door" shelf. Usually those both have
some things to be scavenged through. The "crap that's on its way
out the door" shelf is much like the vortex of doom mentioned by
Yves Quemener. If it sits for a few weeks and no one has touched
it, it gets pitched.<br>
<br>
If you've got any questions, please feel free to reply. If you do
reply to my mail, please CC me directly, as I do not check this
list as frequently as others.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Chris Egeland<br>
SYN/HAK<br>
Akron, OH USA<br>
<br>
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On 11/21/2013 09:44 PM, Nathaniel Bezanson wrote:<br>
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<div><font size="2">At i3detroit, one issue we continually
struggle with is storage. Not of stuff the space owns (that's
an issue too but not a huge problem), but of members' personal
property. With several members commuting by bicycle, and
plenty of others working on long-term projects, it's seen as
important. But it's also imperfect.</font></div>
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<div><font size="2">We currently have some large shelves, where
any member can reserve a spot and keep some stuff there. It
works fine until it fills up, and then it's very difficult to
clear space again. New members don't get space because it's
all occupied by long-term members, and sometimes when people
quit, they forget their stuff. </font></div>
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<div><font size="2">I'm curious how other spaces handle this. I'm
aware of a few examples and anecdotes here and there, but I'm
hoping to understand a few specific points from as many spaces
as possible:</font></div>
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<div><font size="2">0. Is there a collection of wisdom on this
topic somewhere already? I have this feeling that Gui is
going to respond with a doc-dump and I'll look silly, but I
can't find anything already in a few minutes of searching...
:) </font></div>
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<div><span style="font-family: Arial, Verdana, Helvetica,
sans-serif;"><font size="2">1. Do you allow members to keep
their own stuff at the space, at all? If not, why not, and
what happens to stuff that gets left behind accidentally, or
deliberately abandoned/donated? </font></span></div>
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<div><font size="2">2. How much storage space does a member get?
Is it variable? Based on what criteria?</font></div>
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<div><font size="2">3. For how long can a member leave stuff in
the space? Once they start, is it safe to assume that their
stuff can remain as long as they remain a member? </font></div>
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<div><font size="2">4. If there's some sort of inactivity or
timeout clause, how does that work, and who enforces it?</font></div>
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<div><font size="2">5. Assuming you require labels on storage
spots or labels on stored items, how are unlabeled items
handled when they turn up in storage? Or items left in
unlabeled spots?</font></div>
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</font></div>
<div><font size="2">6. Have you ever had anyone try to actively
subvert the limits?</font></div>
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<div><font size="2">7. Are "group projects" by a handful of
members given special accommodation, beyond what an individual
member would get?</font></div>
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</font></div>
<div><font size="2">8. Assuming you have some mechanism to throw
out stuff that everyone agrees is abandoned, has anyone come
back later and whined that their precious shit wasn't yours to
throw out? How do you handle that?</font></div>
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<div><font size="2">9. Is your system so drastically different
from what I'm describing that the questions don't even apply?
Do tell! </font></div>
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<div><font size="2">10. Whatever storage system you have right
now, is it working? What do you see as its main strengths, and
main weaknesses? If you could start from a clean slate, what
would you change?</font></div>
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<div><font size="2">Also for context, it might be helpful to
understand how large your space is and how many members you
have (I could just look this up in the wiki but it'll be
easier to have it in your response!).</font></div>
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<div><font size="2">I'll stick our data in a reply so as not to
clutter this first message.</font></div>
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<div><font size="2">Thanks a bunch,</font></div>
<div><font size="2">-Nate B-</font></div>
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