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<br></div><div>In the dealings we've had with other organizations at MakerBar, that has worked well. We've also been careful not to give up too much control over what we do and how we do it though. In the ideal situation, both organizations have the same goal (education) and are partnering to make each others lives easier, not harder. If that's not the case, I'd back away quickly.</div>
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Yeah! Nice discussion, i like it. Since i had my bad and good experiences so far i'd like to share my good ones first. This weekend i was at Bookfaire Frankfurt, where the university of Stockholm had organised the "Classroom of the Future" to which they've invited me to talk about Maker & 3dPrinting. I've used the opportunity to show kids/parents that learning doesn't stops at the Schooldoor nor when you're out of school and also to evangelize Robohand, Maker Faires, Hackerspaces and FabLabs.
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I would start by putting together a good, fact-based case for them to *consider* changing their stance. A one-page whitepaper listing the strengths of hackerspaces and how they're successful in large part due to AVOIDING heavy-handed impositions. I would also focus on liaison with specific individuals and departments that are already open to the ideas. Make it a bottom-up, grassroots culture change initiative. And even if the university as an institution refuses to change its stance, I'm betting you will still be able to find those select individuals/departments that will work with you as a partner.
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Thanks Randall, you are right. I live in Santiago, Chile, Southamerica, and the education system is very tough here, it's awful. So I would never consider good to be ally with an institution like that... But I guess people can change
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I wanted to ask you what you guys think about this. At our hackerspace people who manage it are trying to make some strategic alliances with universities, schools, culture centers... But I think it's not good. A hackerspace is an alternative to this institutions and methods of education. Making an alliance only makes this institutions try to use the hackerspace their way (they have more power), trying to preasure us to adapt to their methods of education, what their students need, special workshops... I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong, . I love everyone to know about a makerspace or hackerspace and to come here to explore, but this institutions have a way of imposing or forcing things...
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