<div dir="ltr">Thanks for the clear thoughts, Don. As usual with history (especially recent history) there are so many ways to spin things that you could write many plausible (and probably partially true) narratives to describe "why". I would take any article that tells you why it all happened as a piece of interesting cultural ephemera, more part of the situation than a description of the situation. Hopefully at some point someone will start to tease apart the actual genealogy of hacker/makerspaces, how people move between them, how ideas spread, etc. There is a lot of factual stuff that could be learned there, but until then, <citation needed>.<div>
<br></div><div>-Sam</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 8:36 PM, Don Ankney <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dankney@hackerco.de" target="_blank">dankney@hackerco.de</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">There are a number of narratives that can apply to hackerspaces; it wouldn't be difficult to write one from the exact opposite point of view, tracing them back to the home brew computer club types
of groups, serving as proto-capitalist organizations.<br>
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You should feel free to select a narrative that suits your purpose. I suspect given the audience, you can come up with something about technical education or give it a populist "hand up" history.<br>
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There are often disagreements about what hacking is, let alone a consensus on our history.</div>
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</span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Re: [hackerspaces] Please explain this to me</span><br>
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<div>So the message I'm supposed to get from this is that had it not been for
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the hippies I wouldn't have a hackerspace to be a part of? That they are <br>
a response to bourgeois society and based around the anarchist mentality <br>
and an anti government movement?<br>
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I just can't accept that this is how hakerspaces came into being. There <br>
were things like hackerspaces before the first ones in the 90's. First <br>
thing that comes to mind is how garages used to rent out a bays for a <br>
person to work on a car. Tools provided, more experienced "members" to <br>
mentor you. This wasn't because of a counter culture movement. It was <br>
because there were a group of people that liked doing the same thing.<br>
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If this article is meant to bring a philosophical point of view to the <br>
growth of hackerspaces, so be it. It just seams like a real stretch. I <br>
would really enjoy an article that documents how things started with <br>
places like New Hack City and Hasty Pastry and progressed to our current <br>
place in time. Especially if it included how the changes in technology <br>
influenced the growth of new spaces.<br>
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Phil<br>
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On 7/23/2013 6:49 PM, hellekin wrote:<br>
> On 07/23/2013 07:34 PM, Phil Broussard wrote:<br>
>> <a href="http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Rewriting_Hacking_the_Spaces" target="_blank">http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Rewriting_Hacking_the_Spaces</a><br>
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> *** One of the most serious, if not the ulticheck-and-mately grave<br>
> thingie, written on hackerspaces ever. By a human being that is.<br>
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>> Is this just something some one posted on the site or is this meant to<br>
>> be taken seriously? I'm not trying to start an argument or insult<br>
>> anyone. I'm honestly having a very difficult time connecting the dots.<br>
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> *** I'm having a difficult time seeing what dots do not connect. Can you<br>
> be a bit more explicit?<br>
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> hk<br>
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