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Michel, you conveniently ignore the fact that this sort of thing goes more than one way.
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There have been many, many times I was prevented from participating in a UK-only opportunity, or an India-only opportunity, etc. My friends and colleagues would announce these on international lists. I have never begrudged or tried to deny them that. I have never slammed anyone for the circumstances of those activities.
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I have explained my thoughts on the subject and I think they are clear and reasonable. They are only my thoughts and I don't expect anyone else to automatically agree. Along those lines, I think that this subject has been done to death too many times in too many channels and I'm done with it here. On to better things.
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On May 25, 2013 at 1:54 AM Michel Gallant <sfxman@gmail.com> wrote:
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<p><br/> On May 25, 2013 12:53 AM, "Randall G. Arnold" <<a href="mailto:randall.arnold@texrat.net">randall.arnold@texrat.net</a>> wrote:<br/> ><br/> > response below.<br/> ><br/> > > On May 24, 2013 at 11:19 PM Yves Quemener <<a href="mailto:quemener.yves@free.fr">quemener.yves@free.fr</a>> wrote: <br/> > > <br/> > > <br/> > > On 25/05/13 04:57, Randall G. Arnold wrote: <br/> > > > There is little to nothing that small to medium sized organizations can <br/> > > > typically do about extending contests beyond borders. Legal hurdles are <br/> > > > what they are and not easily surmounted. <br/> > > <br/> > > Are they? Everyone seems to assume that these are insurmontable but no one <br/> > > wants to state them. Legalese is often as hackable as code, I am sure that <br/> > > as soon as someone states the official laws blocking this, we will find a <br/> > > way to weasel out of it. <br/> > > <br/> > > I mean, Apple managed to dodge the US fiscal code totally legally, how hard <br/> > > could it be to make an honest, ethical, international, non-anonymous, <br/> > > fiscally declared, monetary prize? On this list we have legal non-profits <br/> > > (and for profits) of various legal status in a variety of jurisdictions <br/> > > that would be willing to cooperate toward that. We have tools like bitcoin. <br/> > > Heh, I wouldn't be surprised that some guys from bitcoin-central would read <br/> > > this list (hey guys! say hi!) which is officially recognized as a BANK in <br/> > > France. <br/> > > <br/> > > The tools and goodwill at disposal to solve this problem are numerous, so <br/> > > why not state them in a way that would allow it to be solved? <br/> > > <br/> > ><br/> > <br/> > I think it's a little disingenuous to compare a hackerspace with a resource-rich, lawyered-up, multibillion dollar company like Apple (whom I will neither defend nor emulate).<br/> > <br/> > Anyway, my main point was that in my opinion the protest was much ado about, really, nothing. Forget "weaseling" around legal restrictions or invoking bitcoins as prizes-- a hackerspace should reserve the right to participate in events with border-based prize restrictions, and I'm still of the opinion they should be able to make an announcement of such on this list... with the caveat that clear disclaimers upfront are useful.<br/> > <br/> > Randall<br/> ><br/> As the guy who provoked this "ado" with a simple question, I feel like I should respond. To you, a dude who lives in Texas and is therefore eligible for this contest, this discussion is a bunch of people complaining about something that has no effect whatsoever *on you*, so of course you perceive it as much ado about nothing. Those of us outside the US perceive it very differently.</p>
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