<div dir="ltr"><div>I apologize for the way I addressed this. I just don't know how to deal with this.</div><div><br></div><div>Can we please find some solution that doesn't involve me and Astera fighting either in private or public?</div>
<div><br></div><div style>I don't want to be involved in running the site, or in arbitraging power struggles. I'd still be glad to hang out with y'all and drink Club Mate.</div><div style><br></div><div style>
Peace</div><div style><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Paul Bohm <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bohmps@gmail.com" target="_blank">bohmps@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">Ok that was harsh. Sorry</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">
Johannes bringing my mother into this, plus people messaging me pushed my buttons.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">But the thing is. I'd like to hand over the domains and keys to <a href="http://hackerspaces.org" target="_blank">hackerspaces.org</a> to some entity that can take care of it. Anyone want to start a foundation with a defined charta?</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Paul Bohm <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bohmps@gmail.com" target="_blank">bohmps@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">I've just received messages suggesting how I should respond to straw-man's, and how it's important.<div><br></div><div>But it's simpler than that, I've given up the domain <a href="http://metalab.at" target="_blank">metalab.at</a> and given it to Metalab many years ago because I knew it would be in good hands there. </div>
<div><br></div><div>Despite moving to a different country and being less involved with the scene, I've held on to the domains <a href="http://hackerspaces.org" target="_blank">hackerspaces.org</a> <a href="http://hackerspaces.com" target="_blank">hackerspaces.com</a> <a href="http://hackerspaces.net" target="_blank">hackerspaces.net</a> because there were some very ugly power struggles that I didn't speak up about at the time.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I'm no longer as actively involved with the hackerspaces scene and I've been wanting to hand over the reigns including domains to people who are capable of cooperation for years. This hasn't been possible, and now even doing maintenance on the site causes backstabbing.</div>
<div><br></div><div>A mentor told me many years ago that if people say ugly things in private that they'd rather not hear said in public, the answer to that is to communicate in public even if it makes you look bad too. I'm sticking to that.</div>
<div><br></div><div>-enki</div><div><br></div></div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Tobias Wolter <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:towo@koeln.ccc.de" target="_blank">towo@koeln.ccc.de</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Paul Bohm <<a href="mailto:bohmps@gmail.com" target="_blank">bohmps@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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>And I remember very well that night at CCC Congress 2008, where you<br>
>told me<br>
>how much you enjoyed the attention you get, because you've set things<br>
>up in<br>
>such a way that they have to go through you to accomplish things. I<br>
>told<br>
>you back then that's at odds with a philosophy of participation.<br>
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</div>Unverifiable statements of private conversations wherein you accuse someone of being in it only for the attention - after going public with an outcry of revoked privileges you admit to not using, stating that the person doing that is not as "cool" as you are? Interesting.<br>
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Then we should consider that this might be an attempt to sway public opinion because you are trying to insinuate gender-based prejudices? That's rich.<br>
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And not very becoming in the spirit of encouraging participation.<br>
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-towo<br>
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