<div dir="ltr">Goverment is putting its own effort into this, with some different aproaches. Yep, most people is unemployed, and/or students (with still very low resources + time). Govt has even less money than them, anyway xD<div>
<br></div><div>Thanks dudes, we've gained three more members in this two days, I renamed everything I could to Dlabs, updated the webpage to look less aggresive and money-carving and so on. </div><div>Still need to rename the domain, but it's already late.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Money expenses are very low! < 400€ month (rent + elecricity + water + 50mb internet)</div><div>And we have nice ilumiation, a "lacked" server, the 3d printer, electronic stuff, library, foo, bar, and of course, baz (and qu, qux too).</div>
<div><br></div><div><a href="http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Dlabs">http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Dlabs</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>Hope to see you guys around, and hope this hackerspace has a long live, as the rest of the hackerspaces in the world.</div>
<div>I'll probably be joining next call-in, so we'll meet there.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/1/23 Arclight <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:arclight@gmail.com" target="_blank">arclight@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p>Looks like a nice space. What are your monthly expenses like? Because if they aren't that high, you may only need a few more core members. Is the problem that a lot of people in your town are unemployed? Can you get help from the town/government/companies if you do classes, startup business space/help, or offer other services?<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 23, 2013 2:51 AM, "David Francos" <<a href="mailto:me@davidfrancos.net" target="_blank">me@davidfrancos.net</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">We've got (not-so-cheap) many coworking spaces here... <div>But you're right, it might be a good idea, a reduced quota for using just a chair and not having the rest of rights + obligations of the actual members? (Not the same involvement I mean)</div>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/1/23 Ricky Ng-Adam <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rngadam@xinchejian.com" target="_blank">rngadam@xinchejian.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">More ideas from one of our member (Paul) who's not on the list:</font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.800000190734863px"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<ul><li>Going towards coworking spaces is working for Bangkok, Thailand as their Hackerspace failed after just 6 months.</li></ul><ul><li>Offering rent a desks for small businesses / startups and facilities usage. </li>
</ul><ul><li>Also checkout <a href="http://schoolfactory.org/" target="_blank">schoolfactory.org</a> as they have some good discussions going on.</li></ul></blockquote></span><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div>
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On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Ricky Ng-Adam <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rngadam@xinchejian.com" target="_blank">rngadam@xinchejian.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<p>Hello David!</p>
<p>You already got a lots of good suggestions in this thread to help future your Hackerspace.</p>
<p>I'd add that if you want to have members, you need a lot of people walking in. </p>
<p>We (Shanghai XinCheJian Hackerspace) have a free open house with guest talks every Wednesday and although we typically get 30 to 40 guests of which maybe 10 are new... At most one or two of those new visitors show interest in membership. </p>
<p>We hit a homerun (meaning someone really active long term) maybe once a month. So you have to find a way to play the numbers to get that one or two percent...</p>
<p>The same numbers apply to the workshops. It actually takes a lot of work to make someone see the value of a community; we spend a lots of time explaining it one on one. And realistically, not everyone is in a situation where they can commit to such a community. But I've seen people join after months/years of the initial contact (!)</p>
<p>A positive: I'm still astounded at the numbers of visitors that have never heard of Hackerspaces given the coverage we've got in the expat and Chinese press. So that's always lots of headroom!</p>
<p>Another: people become more committed when something needs to get done and they do it. Helpful for a nascent community.</p>
<p>good luck!</p><span><font color="#888888">
<p>Ricky</p>
</font></span><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div>On Jan 22, 2013 7:08 PM, "David Francos" <<a href="mailto:me@davidfrancos.net" target="_blank">me@davidfrancos.net</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution">
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<div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.800000190734863px">Hi there.</span><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.800000190734863px">I'm from DegeneratedLabs, Zaragoza (Spain) Hackerspace.</div>
<div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.800000190734863px">It's probably the first time I write here, tought I've been lurking for a while.</div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.800000190734863px">
<br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.800000190734863px">We've got a 2-year old hackerspace here, with a nice-as-hell space, but we've recently lost almost all of our members (three remaining, not much money)</div>
<div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.800000190734863px"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.800000190734863px">We're thinking on alternative economic support stuff, we've got a few nice things (a 3d printer, two floors (one of them mostly used as a workshop and the other a a source for talks etc), lots of hardware, tools, fridges coffe machines, a huge library...)</div>
<div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.800000190734863px"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.800000190734863px">Aside from that, we've got very poor access to people (We are currently FOUR people!).</div>
<div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.800000190734863px"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.800000190734863px">We don't have a very good online image, but we're constantly moving it IRL, trought talks and so on.</div>
<div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.800000190734863px"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.800000190734863px"><div>Could you give us any guidance on how to proceed to avoid the hackerspace's death? Is there any crisis plan developed that can be a little generic to them?</div>
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