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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I was expecting this kind of reply
actually. This:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Oppression_Olympics">http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Oppression_Olympics</a> you're just
going the opposite way. "Men aren't oppressed, therefore stfu" <br>
<br>
Way to dismiss valid criticism. I will repeat, I want actual
balance, actual equality, and its ineffective to make things
heavily skewed to exclude men as the enemy. <br>
<br>
Take Melissa Hall's original thread about Women in makerspaces.
She had 3 points:<br>
<ul>
<li>she felt bad about letting people nominate themselves
without a fight</li>
<li>not having enough women in the space makes her uncomfortable</li>
<li>diversity is good</li>
</ul>
<p>Kay... ..I can't help feelings? I wish I could, but this is the
internet and I'm just some text. :-( <br>
</p>
<p>You then get a discussion (always happens) where all the guilty
feeling men chime in about the things they try to do to promote
these things. Some are good, some are good intentioned but
offensive (David Powell, so much whiteknightery bless your
heart), and some few will be like "blind/impartial equality
only" where they ignore the existing inertia against women in
hackerspaces that requires an exaggerated response (ex: 50%
women speakers at a con when 10% are women members is not a bad
goal). Its a mixed bag.<br>
</p>
<p>Next in these kinds of conversations will be the SRS people.
SRS is a beautiful example of 'same shit, different majority.'
They have lots of goals, but in the end their effect is to
create a strong us vs them mentality and erect walls between
those who 'get it' and those who don't, then use a bunch of
circular arguments to deflect any criticism. However it goes and
regardless of geek feminism wiki, the biggest victim is the
winner as the conversation peters out into anger and
frustration. Its not healthy. How do you expect
cis/male/tech/frat/watever culture to be inviting when you can't
even make your argument for equality inviting? <br>
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Kudos to Buddy Smith with 'how NOT to engage in geek romantic
relations'<br>
<blockquote><i>Rule #1: When a girl comes through the doors, do
NOT try to find her on social networking or dating sites!<br>
</i></blockquote>
Put that on a sign, make a joke about it, tell a story, inject a
meme of acceptable geek dating things into your social circle so
we can fix these things. Real strategies/doable things work better
than just sharing circlejerk stories. (and yes, I get why women
share such stories and their value.) <br>
<br>
<br>
On 01/18/2013 01:56 AM, Al Billings wrote:<br>
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<div id="reply-content">It is always sad to watch a bunch of guys
bitch about how oppressed they are when women point out why they
don't want to put up with crap from guys or why their oh so
equal hackerspace isn't really inviting to people who aren't
white, het, and male.</div>
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<div id="reply-content">Way to prove a point, guys.</div>
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<div id="reply-content">Al</div>
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