<div dir="ltr">A few more notes on the NYCR laser:<div><br></div><div style>It was funded by a subset of the membership who bought "shares" of the laser. The idea was to pay back these funds if we ever managed to make back the cost of the machine. (Amazingly, we did; it took almost four years. Once the laser was paid off, we bought down the prices significantly.)</div>
<div style><br></div><div style>Prices are posted around the laser. We charge by the minute for folks who have taken the laser training class. We have a web app for tracking laser time, and users paying cash leave it in a box next to the laser. There are additional operator fees if you haven't taken the class and need someone to run the job for you. We don't generally let people who haven't taken the class run the laser, even if they've "used one just like it"; a laser fire will set you back a few hundred bucks and a week or two of downtime.</div>
<div style><br></div><div style>We have a Replicator, but we just let folks use that for free, since it's far less likely to self-destruct if misused and is a far cheaper machine (and we can disassemble/reassemble it blindfolded if anything breaks).</div>
<div style><br></div><div style>Based on our experiences, here's a few patterns for buying and funding expensive equipment in the space:</div><div style>- instead of trying to get the entire space to hit consensus, have one person lead the buying process and try to find a subset of members who are willing to fund the machine. This is also how we got our sherline mill, roller press, etc.</div>
<div style>- if it's a pay-to-use machine, make sure the funders don't necessarily have an expectation of making their money back. It was almost a fluke that we got anything back on the laser, and even if it had never returned a dime it would still have been the best investment I ever made.</div>
<div style>- if it's a delicate machine that can be damaged by misuse, make sure there is a training procedure/class required before a user can run the machine.</div><div style>- put aside some continuing source of funds for maintenance. Everything is a consumable on a long enough timescale.</div>
<div style>- if you plan to let trained operators run the machine for others, make sure there's some reasonable pricing scheme to compensate the operator for their time. Being an unpaid machine operator gets old quick.</div>
<div style><br></div><div style>-a</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 10:01 PM, Matt Joyce <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:matt@nycresistor.com" target="_blank">matt@nycresistor.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Below is a list of wiki articles from NYCR on laser purchasing. Not<br>
3d but CAD... and an expensive piece of gear.<br>
<br>
Some of this may be relevant.<br>
<br>
<br>
-Matt<br>
<br>
<a href="http://wiki.nycresistor.com/wiki/Purchasing_A_Laser" target="_blank">http://wiki.nycresistor.com/wiki/Purchasing_A_Laser</a><br>
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<a href="http://wiki.nycresistor.com/wiki/Laser_Pricing" target="_blank">http://wiki.nycresistor.com/wiki/Laser_Pricing</a><br>
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<a href="http://wiki.nycresistor.com/wiki/Replacement_parts,_filters,_etc" target="_blank">http://wiki.nycresistor.com/wiki/Replacement_parts,_filters,_etc</a>.<br>
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<a href="http://wiki.nycresistor.com/wiki/Laser_Power" target="_blank">http://wiki.nycresistor.com/wiki/Laser_Power</a><br>
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<a href="http://wiki.nycresistor.com/wiki/Cleaning" target="_blank">http://wiki.nycresistor.com/wiki/Cleaning</a><br>
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<a href="http://wiki.nycresistor.com/wiki/Laser_Etching_Service_FAQ" target="_blank">http://wiki.nycresistor.com/wiki/Laser_Etching_Service_FAQ</a><br>
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On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 5:58 PM, charlie wallace<br>
<<a href="mailto:charlie@finitemonkeys.com">charlie@finitemonkeys.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> yeah exactly if we got it we'll share, if we haven't we will figure it out.<br>
><br>
> Share and Enjoy even if its not an amiga.<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 5:45 PM, Al Billings <<a href="mailto:albill@openbuddha.com">albill@openbuddha.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Oh, so like most hackerspace tools!<br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>> Al Billings<br>
>> <a href="http://openbuddha.com" target="_blank">http://openbuddha.com</a><br>
>><br>
>> On Friday, January 18, 2013 at 5:20 PM, charlie wallace wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Whip round and some guilt laced emails, then a few key members will kick<br>
>> in whats left.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 5:16 PM, Al Billings <<a href="mailto:albill@openbuddha.com">albill@openbuddha.com</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> I figured that. :-)<br>
>><br>
>> How is it paid for though?<br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>> Al Billings<br>
>> <a href="http://www.openbuddha.com" target="_blank">http://www.openbuddha.com</a><br>
>> <a href="http://makehacklearn.org" target="_blank">http://makehacklearn.org</a><br>
>><br>
>> On Friday, January 18, 2013 at 5:15 PM, charlie wallace wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> buy another one.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 5:12 PM, Al Billings <<a href="mailto:albill@openbuddha.com">albill@openbuddha.com</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> What do you do when a laser tube fries itself?<br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>> Al Billings<br>
>> <a href="http://www.openbuddha.com" target="_blank">http://www.openbuddha.com</a><br>
>> <a href="http://makehacklearn.org" target="_blank">http://makehacklearn.org</a><br>
>><br>
>> On Friday, January 18, 2013 at 5:04 PM, charlie wallace wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> we just supply the machine, space and electricity and knowledge for free,<br>
>> you supply the materials, unless we have the materials on hand and no ones<br>
>> care if they're used up but it'd be nice if they were replaced, or added<br>
>> too.<br>
>><br>
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