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<blockquote><i>"Dudes, how about in 2013 if a bunch of women tell
you something is fucked up for women, just like, believe them.
Because you are a dude.
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This is from a dude on another mailing list I'm on thats discussing
this:<br>
<blockquote>Replace 'women' and 'dude' with any other pair of words
and read that statement again.
<div>Try these:</div>
<div>Atheists, how about in 2013 if a bunch of Christians tell you
something is fucked up for Christians, just like, believe them.
Because you are an atheist.</div>
Civilians, how about in 2013 if a bunch of governments tell you
something is fucked up for government, just like, believe them.
Because you are a civilian.<br>
Women, how about in 2013 if a bunch of dudes tell you something is
fucked up for dudes, just like, believe them. Because you are a
women.<br>
Yes I get the point its trying to make and I entirely 100% fucking
agree with it, but its shitty way to say it.<br>
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This same mentality has led me to understanding that in any
discussion about women with women, I'm a horrible person (white male
neckbeard) who can never understand these problems and should just
listen to whatever women tell me is wrong with me. <br>
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I get it, I really do. I'm not on about how anyone is treating me,
I'm well aware of the power imbalance. I not asking for pity here, I
know women get a short end of the stick I and most men like me have
no idea. I'm just trying to impart a practical point. <br>
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Feminism is fighting against <i>ideas</i> and patterns in society,
among men, women and institutions. If you go after people as your
enemy (those all male hackerspaces for instance) you're just one
more biased in-group struggling for the upper hand. Why would I
listen if the new boss will be the same as the old boss, but now
tilted against me.<br>
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Someone who would really love not to work in an all male
environment,<br>
--<br>
Rhys<br>
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