<div dir="ltr">Sorry for the delay in response from me directly. Yesterday I was in transit and, while I was able to read the emails on my phone at the Newark airport, I didn't feel like writing a response on the phone.<div>
<br></div><div style>I'd like to say thank you to Michel Gallant for making me laugh out loud and hoot, "You tell 'em" in the food court at the airport. :) </div><div style><br></div><div style>Matt, yes, this may have come off as annoying to you, but I hope that you'll understand that some piece of Michel's response hit the spot. One of the reasons that women get sick of dealing with the issues of "feminism" and "inclusion of women" is that we explain what the problem is and then have to re-explain along with thorough defenses for each position we have taken. Your response to me put me in exactly that situation.</div>
<div style><br></div><div style>Sam Ley gave as good an answer to your questions as I could probably put forward myself when he said,</div><div style>"<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Regarding shared interests: Hackerspaces, almost by definition, have very wide interest levels, and theoretically, new interests among active members is taken as an opportunity to learn something new, not an "outside" activity to be scorned. Knitting is a form of making that is very practical and interesting, involves math and patterns, and is connected to a long history of craftsmanship. If you didn't already know that the hobby is mostly women, you'd assume that most hackerspace types would be interested in learning how to do it, in the same way they happily take up microcontrollers, bicycles, etc. Why would a group that tends to think of an opportunity to learn a new making skill as a good thing all of a sudden think it was a bad thing?"</span></div>
<div style><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div style><font face="arial, sans-serif">The only thing that I can add to that is to say that I did state in my original story that the knitting club had been a sort of gateway drug for a number of women to get involved with the hackerspace beyond just the knitting and that the bad blood around the issue of knitting not being "real hacking" and other such derogatory statements led to those same women *leaving* the hackerspace. (Luckily, at least some of them left *that* hackerspace, but not the community as a whole, as I also stated in my previous email.)</font></div>
<div style><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div style><font face="arial, sans-serif">Interestingly, I watched the Queer Geeks Panel at CCCongress from 2011 yesterday which touched on many of the same issues. There was even a specific reference to how sometimes exclusion comes in the form of spaces declaring that some forms of hacking/making aren't "real hacking" because only woodwork and soldering and software are real hacking. The conversation is well worth a watch or listen if you haven't checked it out already. </font><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6c9Eg_IA9w">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6c9Eg_IA9w</a> </div>
<div style><br></div><div style>- Lisha</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br>
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