<div dir="ltr">Kimberly Varney of Atlanta Makers did the study of Atlanta specifically and also the entire Metro Atlanta area. I'll get more details on her study for the Atlanta area specifically, but this is the study that she based the demographics on - <div>
<br></div><div><a href="http://cdn.makezine.com/make/bootstrap/img/etc/Maker-Market-Study.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">http://cdn.makezine.com/make/bootstrap/img/etc/Maker-Market-Study.pdf</a><br>
</div><div><br></div><div style>Steven</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Paul Brown <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:paul90brown@gmail.com" target="_blank">paul90brown@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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"<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">For us, there are 200,000 people in the metro Atlanta area that fit what MAKE found in their survey to be the typical hackerspace demographic."</span></blockquote>
<div><br></div></div><div>That's really interesting. Is there a link to the survey you're referring to? I'm interested to see if it has anything to say about Dallas. </div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Steven Sutton <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ssutton4455@gmail.com" target="_blank">ssutton4455@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Faruq from Hacker Hostel came into the weekly meeting at Freeside yesterday to discuss this. First of all - the education is a program at HH, not the entirety of the space. In other words, they're just starting up and so they decided that was a good point to grow from. That is a perfectly reasonable strategy for a for-profit organization. It's unfair to, based on a review of their website, decide to exclude them without first having a conversation with them. I think they should be added back.<div>
<br></div><div>I also invited Faruq to a monthly meeting that the hacker/art/maker/inventor spaces in Atlanta have started to put together. We are now 8 organizations in Atlanta that sit down and talk shop. It became clear once we all started meeting together that every space has a different culture, vision, objective, etc... By including everyone it actually works out to be a better strategy because we are much more effective as a collaborative force and more appealing to people who haven't joined yet.<br>
<div><br></div><div>If the idea is that we don't want people to get overwhelmed or lost on the page with active spaces, the why don't we just tag them (Bio, Software, Electronics, Art, etc...) and they can list the ones that apply? For us, there are 200,000 people in the metro Atlanta area that fit what MAKE found in their survey to be the typical hackerspace demographic. Our mission isn't to divide up the available people into competing spaces, it's to bring some of those 200k into this community. We can do that much more effectively by offering a variety of spaces for them to get involved in and connecting them up so they can move between them more easily. </div>
<div><br></div><div>When we have an ecosystem of spaces we make a much stronger case for what we're doing that just trying to do it all in isolation. We diversity between them to make that work.</div></div>
<div><br></div><div>Please add Hacker Hostel back. These guys are on our script, they're just approaching it from a different angle. We should welcome that.</div><span><font color="#888888"><div><br></div>
<div>Steven Sutton<br>
</div><div>President, Freeside Atlanta</div></font></span></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div>On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Buddy Smith <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:buddy.smith@ieee.org" target="_blank">buddy.smith@ieee.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:19 PM, William Reyor <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:opticfiber@gmail.com" target="_blank">opticfiber@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Interesting read on New York Times<div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/06/technology/at-hacker-hostels-living-on-the-cheap-and-dreaming-of-digital-glory.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0" target="_blank">http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/06/technology/at-hacker-hostels-living-on-the-cheap-and-dreaming-of-digital-glory.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0</a><br>
</div><div><br></div><div>its actually a pretty interesting idea. Maybe before just taking down the page, you want to reach out to them and ask why they believe they're connected to the hacker space movement?</div>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>I've emailed the creator of the page and invited him to respond here, or to me directly.</div><div><br></div><div>I don't necessarily think the page should be deleted, but it should be retemplated as something other than a hackerspace.</div>
<div><br></div><div>If we want things cursorily related to hackerspaces on the wiki, that's fine. Let's just not call them hackerspaces.</div><span><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>--buddy</div>
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