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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">OT: Intended or not, that argument
below is a *textbook* Straw Man [1]<br>
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The straw man fallacy occurs in the following pattern of argument:<br>
1) Person 1 has position X.<br>
2) Person 2 disregards certain key points of X and instead
presents the superficially similar position Y. The position Y is a
distorted version of X and can be set up in several ways...<br>
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Please try to rise above the USA-simpleton-politics level of
logical fallacies, they are very boring. kthxbai!<br>
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hack on,<br>
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On 1/2/13 2:03 PM, William Reyor wrote:<br>
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<div>Ok so lets get this right.</div>
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<div>For-profit spaces that are not member run - OK</div>
<div>Non-profit member run spaces - OK</div>
<div>Non-profit spaces that have paid classes - OK</div>
<div>For profit spaces that have paid classes - Not OK</div>
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<div>What about spaces that rely on local government for support
would they be allowed?</div>
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<div>I think trying to judge and measure each entity is an
exercise in futility. Why not allow what is ?</div>
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On Jan 2, 2013, at 1:47 PM, Buddy Smith <<a
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 1:42 PM,
William Reyor <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div>Should probably remove freespace Atlanta too
then.</div>
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<div style="">You mean Freeside?</div>
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<div style="">It's a non-profit, organized as a
hackerspace. It self identifies as a hackerspace </div>
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style="font-family:'.HelveticaNeueUI';font-size:15px;line-height:19px;white-space:nowrap"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://sites.google.com/site/freesideatl/joining"
target="_blank">https://sites.google.com/site/freesideatl/joining</a></span></div>
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style="font-family:'.HelveticaNeueUI';font-size:15px;line-height:19px;white-space:nowrap"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/FreesideAtlanta"
target="_blank">http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/FreesideAtlanta</a></span></div>
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<div><font face=".HelveticaNeueUI"><span
style="font-size:15px;line-height:19px;white-space:nowrap">Requires
two members to sponsor, sounds elitist and
exclusive to me.</span></font></div>
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<div><font face=".HelveticaNeueUI"><span
style="font-size:15px;line-height:19px;white-space:nowrap">Then
again, who am I to start judging who belongs
and who doesn't....<br>
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<div style="">I think there can be a distinction between
"hackerspace" and "not hackerspace".</div>
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<div style="">If you can justify it, then remove them. I
think you'll find some objection.</div>
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<div style="">I think Freeside shares some number of
qualities with most hackerspaces, and "Hacker Hostel"
does not. It's not member-run, it's for profit, it's
nothing more than a dorm and set of expensive IT
classes.</div>
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<div style="">Personally, I think tech shops and
hackerspaces/makerspaces should remain on the wiki.
Coworking spaces should probably not be on the wiki,
IT schools should not be on the wiki.</div>
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<div style="">I think for-profit IT schools with no
other links to the hackerspace movement should be
deleted.</div>
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<div style="">--buddy</div>
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