+1 for a badge and +1 for better search criteria.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Matt Joyce <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:matt@nycresistor.com" target="_blank">matt@nycresistor.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">build a rest API and they will come.<br>
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On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Edward L Platt <<a href="mailto:ed@elplatt.com">ed@elplatt.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Ooh! Another thought. Maybe the badge could even contain a summary of the<br>
> space's profit/membership/governance structure!<br>
><br>
> -Ed<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Edward L Platt <<a href="mailto:ed@elplatt.com">ed@elplatt.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Looking at things like non-profit status, open/closed membership, and even<br>
>> community governance, you will find plenty of bona fide hackerspaces that<br>
>> fall on either side.<br>
>><br>
>> +1 For providing a better view of where a particular space falls on these<br>
>> spectra, rather than quibbling about whether or not to label them as a<br>
>> hackerspace.<br>
>><br>
>> Also, the last time this dead horse received a thorough beating, I recall<br>
>> someone suggesting self-identification as a reasonable requirement. So I<br>
>> propose the following: we create a <a href="http://hackerspaces.org" target="_blank">hackerspaces.org</a> website badge (or maybe<br>
>> one already exists) and if a space doesn't display the badge on their<br>
>> homepage, they're fair game for removal (or not, do-ocracy style).<br>
>><br>
>> Happy hacking,<br>
>> -Ed<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 1:59 PM, Matt Joyce <<a href="mailto:matt@nycresistor.com">matt@nycresistor.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> maybe the correct answer here is not "exclusion" but a better view of<br>
>>> the data we have?<br>
>>><br>
>>> if we could sort based on key values, such as the tax structure of the<br>
>>> group, ownership, rental, or squat. business? club? hardware vs<br>
>>> software? genetic? burners or other creatives? academic institution?<br>
>>> research oriented lab?<br>
>>><br>
>>> there are many different groups in the world and many ways to apply<br>
>>> ones self to their community. Maybe the right answer is to take this<br>
>>> wealth of data and provide a better visualization of that data.<br>
>>><br>
>>> -Matt<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 10:50 AM, David Powell <<a href="mailto:davepow16@gmail.com">davepow16@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>> wrote:<br>
>>> > I have not problem with TechShop being called a hackerspace. There are<br>
>>> > a lot<br>
>>> > of "Hackerspaces" on the list that could IMO be questionable but not<br>
>>> > because<br>
>>> > of their profit status.I don't think profit status has anything to do<br>
>>> > with<br>
>>> > it. Do they provide a space for like minded individuals to share<br>
>>> > knowledge<br>
>>> > about whatever it is those people may be interested in?<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > One thing that people need to keep in mind is that most hackerspaces<br>
>>> > need to<br>
>>> > make money in order to keep their doors open. It some communities it's<br>
>>> > as<br>
>>> > simple as getting everyone to pitch in some money. In other communities<br>
>>> > people are cheap and feel like they are entitled to everything for free<br>
>>> > and<br>
>>> > they want the members of the hackerspace to also deliver service with a<br>
>>> > smile. It really depends on what works for the area each space is in.<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > We are a non-profit 501(c)(3) but we have plans for selling our<br>
>>> > knowledge in<br>
>>> > order to keep the doors open. It's a lot of work and most of our<br>
>>> > members<br>
>>> > don't want to put in extra effort to make things run smoothly. So the<br>
>>> > few of<br>
>>> > us who do feel we need to charge people coming through the door because<br>
>>> > the<br>
>>> > freeloading is not paying the bills. Being a non-profit has a lot of<br>
>>> > down<br>
>>> > sides including making sure we are not breaking laws when we sell<br>
>>> > something.<br>
>>> > If I had to do it all over again I would not have setup our space as a<br>
>>> > 501(c)(3). I would have started a for profit business and ran it like I<br>
>>> > owned it.<br>
>>> ><br>
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