<p>Still admin on nycr:microcontrollergroup... shit is horrendous. Google groups that is. Drives me up a wall. Totally get it.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Oct 5, 2012 6:02 PM, "Bryan Bishop" <<a href="mailto:kanzure@gmail.com">kanzure@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Alex Cureton-Griffiths <<a href="mailto:alexcg@gmail.com">alexcg@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> On the caretaker list we've been kicking around the idea of transitioning<br>
> our public list to Google Groups. We'd like to hear some feedback from you<br>
> guys before we decide whether to go ahead.<br>
<br>
Lately it seems like Google has been trying to kill their Google<br>
Groups product. I am sure some of you have noticed their new UI and<br>
how they deprecated almost half of the mailing list pages. The URL<br>
structure has changed dramatically; some of the "old" group pages are<br>
still using the previous version, but it looks like new groups are<br>
using the new javascript-heavy version (or however you prefer to name<br>
it).<br>
<br>
Why is this an issue? Well, for one, the javascript-heavy version is<br>
lacking a number of features from the original Google Groups. Pages<br>
like /about and /topics and /thread are completely missing. Although<br>
the RSS urls are still working, the links are gone and not advertised.<br>
Additionally, the "email to subscribe" text seems to be vanished as<br>
well, except in the footers of outgoing email which offers a helpful<br>
unsubscribe address.<br>
<br>
Honestly, I was sort of upset about their new URL structure. It sucks<br>
in comparison to the old links.<br>
<br>
Compare!<br>
<br>
old hotness:<br>
<a href="http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/msg/0bdf7ff01c79198a" target="_blank">http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/msg/0bdf7ff01c79198a</a><br>
<br>
new lameness:<br>
<a href="https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!msg/diybio/_SLixhWFOzM/ihl5HPB_3wsJ" target="_blank">https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!msg/diybio/_SLixhWFOzM/ihl5HPB_3wsJ</a><br>
<br>
Compare!<br>
<br>
old hotness:<br>
<a href="https://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing/about" target="_blank">https://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing/about</a><br>
<br>
new lameness:<br>
<a href="https://groups.google.com/group/biohack-nyc/about" target="_blank">https://groups.google.com/group/biohack-nyc/about</a><br>
<br>
Anyway, it looks like they are planning to deprecate a lot of these<br>
features, and maybe they will even force users off of email in the<br>
future. I certainly don't want to use their shitty forums. :-\<br>
<br>
> WHY TRANSITION?<br>
> * Loads of hackerspaces are already using Google Groups, meaning more<br>
> people know how to use it, thus lower barrier to entry<br>
<br>
Email is even lower barrier to entry.<br>
<br>
> * Much easier to read threads and do searches, so clearer communication<br>
> and less duplication<br>
<br>
My email client makes reading threads a pleasure. I also like<br>
searching mail with notmuch.<br>
<br>
> * We've been hearing comments about how bad Mailman is<br>
<br>
yeah, well, contribute a patch :-)<br>
<br>
> * Less chance of email overload, since Google Groups lets you subscribe by<br>
> thread. Less risk of email overload = less annoyance for new users<br>
<br>
I don't think information overload is a real thing. It's just<br>
something that people make up when they hate to configure their email<br>
clients, I think.<br>
<br>
> WHY NOW?<br>
> We're going to put out our press release and start publicizing SpaceGAMBIT<br>
> and HSP soon. It'll be easier to transition now, while we're small and have<br>
> fewer members, than to try to drag a much larger community onto a new<br>
> platform.<br>
<br>
Do you really want to communicate with people who don't understand<br>
email? Look deep inside your heart before answering :-).<br>
<br>
- Bryan<br>
<a href="http://heybryan.org/" target="_blank">http://heybryan.org/</a><br>
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