Following this thread with great interest, as friends and I have been discussing similar dreams and schemes for over a year now. I'm very impressed by the scope of Hackert0wn but wishing it followed the hacker ethos of openness and transparency in its planning process. By no means do I intend to hijack the thread, but last week I helped launch a wiki to ideate and brainstorm on a 'WikiTown', committed to creating a culture that effectively
hybridizes the hacker/maker, eco/permaculturalist and countercultural
communities.<br><br>If you're interested in such a project, please come share your ideas at the wiki:<br><a href="http://eudea.liminoidforest.org">http://eudea.liminoidforest.org</a><br><br>Be well,<br clear="all">Jenny<br>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 1:32 PM, William Saturno <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:wsaturno@gmail.com" target="_blank">wsaturno@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<p>I completely understand what you're saying about not being able to do everything yourself. That will definitely add to the cost </p>
<p> Perhaps to take a Pageight headed it</p><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">
<div class="gmail_quote">On Oct 3, 2012 4:01 PM, "Matt Joyce" <<a href="mailto:matt@nycresistor.com" target="_blank">matt@nycresistor.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I'd like to point out hackerdojo just completed a 250k fund raiser<br>
just to get two of their buildings rezoned and bring their current<br>
building up to code.<br>
<br>
That gets them pretty much nothing they didn't already have except a<br>
pass from the local city government to use it for people.<br>
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There are things hackers cannot do without gobs of money.<br>
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-Matt<br>
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On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 12:54 PM, William Saturno <<a href="mailto:wsaturno@gmail.com" target="_blank">wsaturno@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> One great aspect of this idea is that this plan can become modular<br>
> (pun intended) and be built by breaking it down into build stages.<br>
> Will it be completed for the initial 1.5 investment? Doubtful. But a<br>
> "stage 1" of a plan? Perhaps. Being that this thread is made up of<br>
> mainly members of hackerspaces, you *know* what we can accomplish on<br>
> meager or zero budgets. I also see that first hand at my own space<br>
> what we have accomplished by the passion of membership. Now, using<br>
> that same hacker resourcefulness and and 'frugal"ness, I think that if<br>
> this idea can reach a critical mass it may have it's own momentum to<br>
> move forward on it's own. I'll be investing what I can on Indiegogo<br>
> towards it. At the very very least, the challenge has been made to the<br>
> status quo.<br>
><br>
> Bill Saturno<br>
> CT Hackerspace<br>
><br>
> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Ron Bean<br>
> <<a href="mailto:makerspace@rbean.users.panix.com" target="_blank">makerspace@rbean.users.panix.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> Matt Joyce <<a href="mailto:matt@nycresistor.com" target="_blank">matt@nycresistor.com</a>> writes:<br>
>><br>
>>>Containers are intended to be used INDOORS.<br>
>><br>
>> Wait, what?<br>
>><br>
>> I thought they were intended to he hauled around on trucks, trains, and<br>
>> cargo ships.<br>
>><br>
>>>They need to be covered and raised off the<br>
>>>ground.<br>
>><br>
>> I'd agree with that part.<br>
>><br>
>> The project page looks like a bunch of different projects that should be<br>
>> pursued separately. I don't see the point of making it one huge project.<br>
>><br>
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