This is a great thread and mirrors HeatSync Labs' experience getting its 501(c)3. We're an educational nonprofit, and memberships basically pay for the rent and tools. We keep our doors open to the public and hold classes regularly. If we get much more money, I'm sure we'd expand our teaching/outreach.<div>
<br></div><div>I'm not a lawyer, but my argument is, the space itself and tools within it, when combined with a bit of instruction, are themselves providing self-directed education. Without the space or tools, people like us wouldn't be able to learn. They're learning resources. This is an important distinction to make, because a good "charity" spends a healthy percentage of its money on fulfilling its charitable mission. Our mission IS to provide space and tools, so we're good as long as we aren't spending thousands on parties or "overhead" expenses.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Comments:</div><div><br></div><div><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Our local hackerspace is looking at becoming a 501c3, independent of</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">any other entity.</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<br> - I believe it's important to be somewhat independent. If you choose to hitch your wagon to another entity, do all you can to make sure their vision is aligned with yours and that there are no hidden or undesirable strings attached. We've been bitten by this before.<br>
<br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Is your hackerspace a 501c3? How does it affect the day to day</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">operations of your space? Are there limitations on the use of donated</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">versus non-donated funds? (Donations vs dues and class fees, etc)?</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<br> - We are. It doesn't affect too much, although if members stopped opening the doors to the public or being helpful to newbies, we'd have to step in and adjust to make sure we were staying true to our mission. We can't afford to be insular. Due to our nonprofit status, many members have a slight aversion to using the space for profitmaking activities. This is fine, except that it can prevent inventions from becoming successful businesses. It takes some effort to maintain a friendly atmosphere for more-than-hobbyists.</div>
<div> - If we have a big donor, we frequently ignore that money for budgeting purposes since it could go away at any time. When it comes time for a large tool purchase or emergency, then that money is there, but we don't count on it. We aim to be (and are) self-sufficient on memberships alone. I call it the "gym model" -- there's a certain ratio of dollars to members to daily activity and you're aiming for a sweet spot.</div>
<div> - Class fees are intended to compensate the instructor and go towards machine maintenance, but I'm not aware of strict accounting for it. Simply, the more people trained on a machine, the more people likely to use it. But we wouldn't want to deny a machine maintenance because of insufficient class fees.<br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
</div><div><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">One of the arguments being put forth is that members must not work on</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">individual projects, because that would be a benefit to the member</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">versus the public, and somehow violate the 501c3 rules.</span>
</div><div><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif"> - Others have described this issue more fully, but we were never made aware of this argument during our 501(c)3 application. The underlying principle is, make sure a good percentage of your expenditures can be labeled as directly benefiting peoples' education, and all expenditures or savings must be allocated somehow. If you save up a bunch of money, it's ok, just explain what you're saving it for. (Rainy day fund, big tool purchase, etc.)</font></span></div>
<div><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif"><br>
</font></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif">One gotcha we were made aware of is selling things or competing with business. For example if you sell Arduinos, make sure they've got your logo on them, are ideally part of an "educational kit", and are not priced competitively with Radio Shack or Adafruit. You don't need to charge sales tax on items you sell; you can't use that advantage to compete with anyone. If you sell t-shirts, make sure they're promotional/fundraising gear with your logo on them, and you're not competing with the t-shirt business next door, or Threadless, or Walmart. The good news is, as a nonprofit people will tend to be ok with paying a bit more than retail.</font></span></div>
<div><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif">The example we were given was, the Red Cross can sell first aid kits, but they can't be priced or marketed competitively with Johnson & Johnson first aid kits; ideally, they should be </font></span><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif">obviously-</span><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif">promotional items for the Red Cross' humanitarian mission. OR, the Red Cross could give them away to needy people as part of their humanitarian mission. (In fact this was the subject of a landmark lawsuit both for trademark and nonprofit law: </font></span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emblems_of_the_Red_Cross#Johnson_.26_Johnson_v._American_Red_Cross">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emblems_of_the_Red_Cross#Johnson_.26_Johnson_v._American_Red_Cross</a>)</div>