<p>I still have yet to hear the concerns of those of us who aren't in the US addressed. I assume this is a US citizens and residents only venture?</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Apr 3, 2012 2:58 PM, "Matt Joyce" <<a href="mailto:matt@nycresistor.com">matt@nycresistor.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hell anything of sufficient mass put in orbit can be used as a pretty<br>
nasty weapon.<br>
<br>
Start there. See how far you get before the military is involved.<br>
<br>
On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Tim Miller <<a href="mailto:timmillertech@gmail.com">timmillertech@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Those of us that are not strongly against military or those who remember<br>
> that the space shuttle was funded largely by the military to carry weapons<br>
> and spy satellites. Maybe we fully support getting support from DARPA and<br>
> all you that curse the name of anything military are passing judgement that<br>
> maybe you are not warranted to give. The formation and success of NASA was<br>
> largely because of military money. It seems people forget where that money<br>
> really comes from, it comes from our paychecks and if it has to get funneled<br>
> through hell and passed out by the devil to get to where we want to go,<br>
> maybe that is our choice as hackers. Defense doesn't always mean bigger<br>
> badder space lasers. Defense can also be making sure that the skills needed<br>
> to maintain a country's infrastructure are intact and keep and expand the<br>
> country's manufacturing and continue to grow the skills methods<br>
> and facilities. We have already seen what happens when you put all of a type<br>
> of manufacturing ability in an one region. The new grand experiment is if<br>
> we can do better in our distributed community shops and if you have a<br>
> problem with working with people with the same goal as yours so be it, go<br>
> join that group and sit back while the rest of us succeed in an awesome<br>
> manner or fail miserably knowing we tried something. And the next time your<br>
> city is decimated by a natural disaster go up to the National Guard member<br>
> doing everything they can to help and tell them go away you don't want<br>
> anything to do with the military.<br>
><br>
> On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Marc Juul <<a href="mailto:juul@labitat.dk">juul@labitat.dk</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Jerry Isdale <<a href="mailto:isdale@gmail.com">isdale@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> > My Fellow Hackers...<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Today I got an email from DARPA stating that they have selected our<br>
>> > "Hackerspace Space Program" for contract negotiation.<br>
>><br>
>> Interesting / Congratulations? What does that mean exactly? How<br>
>> certain is it that you will get funding?<br>
>><br>
>> > Those who want to flame about taking government money can do so.. We<br>
>> > just<br>
>> > wont pass any $ your way.<br>
>><br>
>> While I am very happy to see more interest / funding for space-related<br>
>> hacker activities I think there are some important issues here that<br>
>> you may be ignoring. One is that by calling yourselves the<br>
>> "hackerspace space program" you are associating hackers, the<br>
>> hackerspace movement and specifically everyone working on<br>
>> space-related projects in hackerspaces with DARPA and the military.<br>
>> Knowing that there are many who are strongly anti-military, it would<br>
>> make sense to call name this project something else, perhaps something<br>
>> less general?<br>
>><br>
>> This is not just government, this is military funding. That is an<br>
>> important distinction for many.<br>
>><br>
>> If is of course your decision who you fund, but starting out by<br>
>> calling any criticism of your decision to apply for military funding<br>
>> using the hackerspace name "flaming" seems itself fairly inflammatory.<br>
>> The term hacker is for many associated with a strong sense of ethics,<br>
>> and it is always a good idea to be mindful of the people who disagree<br>
>> with your actions on ethical grounds, even if you end up not acting on<br>
>> their criticism.<br>
>><br>
>> As you are obviously aware there are people who will be unwilling to<br>
>> work with you on this project once you accept this funding. I wonder<br>
>> if you have done any research to estimate the loss in expertise,<br>
>> manpower and ideas, or how much of a rift this will cause in the<br>
>> hacker/maker community?<br>
>><br>
>> This news comes close to the news that the Maker Faire has accepted<br>
>> DARPA funding, so when I mention a rift in the community it may be<br>
>> bigger than just this one project.<br>
>><br>
>> For those who are suspicious of military involvement but not outright<br>
>> unwilling to work with a DARPA funded project, it would be really<br>
>> useful to have a summary of the extent and terms of this project and<br>
>> funding: What are the strings attached from DARPA? Are there any<br>
>> countries you will not be allowed to work with and do any of them have<br>
>> DIY space groups or hackerspaces that will be excluded? Will you own<br>
>> the copyright to anything copyright'able you produce and will you<br>
>> control licensing / patenting? Where is the project description (can<br>
>> we read the proposal you sent to DARPA)? Who will control the funding<br>
>> and how will it be divided between project participants? How much<br>
>> funding did you apply for and how certain are you that you will get<br>
>> it? Who are involved with this project already?<br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>> Marc Juul<br>
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