Ya, issues about organizing and respect can kill a space.<br>My personal noise/glitchcore studio next to Gumbolabs is a trainwreck... because that's how I roll.<br>BUT in gumbolabs we have biannual cleaning days. We actually end up getting more people there than regular meets.<br>
It's a pretty small place - 12'x30'.... <br><br>What has worked for us is to have try to make it as easy as possible for people to store stuff - and encourage it nicely.<br>I understand the frustration... but expressing it without control (believe me I'm good at loosing control) really will make it worse.<br>
<br>I believe in ENABLING order - such as putting up cubbies on the wall and putting names on them.<br>Set simple rules like - table must be cleaned off after you are done for the day.<br>It's ok if an ongoing project stays out... but they need to announce it like this in respect of the space and others.<br>
" hey gang - I'm working on this big project and left it out ... is that ok with everyone... it'll be out of there in a week or two.. MAX! serious though... if anyone needs the space or is planning anything.. let me know. It's a little delicate and I'll come move it myself."<br>
<br><br>And downright making rules - but in a friendly way - of if you don't follow the basic golden rules of <br><br>"RESPECT THE SPACE AND YOUR FRIENDS BELONGINGS"<br><br>"BE AWESOME TO EACH OTHER - WE LOVE YOU SO LOVE US!" (no offense but you sound like you skimmed that one close yelling - i woulda too prolly - I'm getting better :)<br>
<br>"IF YOU DIDN'T WATCH MISTER ROGER'S NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN YOU WERE A KID - WATCH IT AND TAKE NOTES BEFORE YOU COME BACK IF YOU ARE A MESSY PERSON"<br><br>"THIS IS NOT YOUR BEDROOM - YOUR MOM IS NOT HERE - YA GOTTA BITE THE BULLET AND BE CLEAN HERE! - IF YOUR CUBBY ISN'T BIG ENOUGH FOR YOUR MESSY DISPOSITION - BRING A BIG CONTAINER AND ASK WHERE YOU CAN KEEP IT -- NO ROTTEN SAMMICHES IN IT EITHER"<br>
<br>Worst case scenario... in a freindly way... let the culprit know he's uninvited as far as full access for a little while... sorry it has to be that way... but we love ya anyhow... but totally keep coming to open hack nights!<br>
<br>We also sort of try to sponsor newcomers... so a regular member is responsible. New comers usually respect that person since they can only go when their sponsor comes... <br><br>I know it all sounds like alot... but it's ideas - we quickly got to a point where we didn't have to have any rules... <br>
but we're mostly adults over 20's.<br><br>Seriously though... friendly interactions work but aggression makes it worse. Again... I got that issue too.<br>If you're the only one who gives a rat's behind... bail and start something else maybe. <br>
<br>Sorry bout your computer... but cubby's help lots for that too if it's a lappy.<br><br>Just some ideas! Peace!<br>OH and my big thing is, again, ENABLE ORDER! - make it easy for people to stay organized. <br>
Bring up how can we put more personal storage in - in a meeting.<br>People learn by example... repeated example... over and over... it takes a little work cleaning up after people... but if you do it when people are there... they often start to get the hint. But not in a pissy or aggressive way.<br>
Deff don't go bitching behind others back - that breaks the respect rule... <br><br>- mars<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Koen Martens <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gmc@sonologic.nl">gmc@sonologic.nl</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div class="im"><br>
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 05:06:33PM +0200, h0uz3 wrote:<br>
> How good or bad does it work in your space to keep it clean and tidy?<br>
<br>
</div>It used to be a big friggin' mess.<br>
<br>
We've recently installed a whiteboard, which lists common tasks such<br>
as 'clean the toilets', 'vacuum X' (for all possible rooms X in our<br>
space), replace paper towels in kitchen and toilet, mop kitchen floor,<br>
etc...<br>
<br>
Each row has one task, followed by the desired frequency (1/f gives<br>
1 week, fortnight, 3 months, etc..). After that comes the name of<br>
the person who last did it and the date the task is due for. There's<br>
one last column that contains a red X if the task is overdue.<br>
<br>
This seems to work pretty well so far.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> Somehow I feel like enough people don't care to mess up the whole place.<br>
<br>
</div>They don't.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> Best example: I wanted to use my computer and found it with a gooey<br>
> keyboard and mouse. Cleaned it thoroughly. Same thing happened the next<br>
> day, this time the mouse ball wasn't working anymore.<br>
<br>
</div>I sat down on an office chair in one of our rooms once, to discover there<br>
was chewing gum on it. Now that made me pissed.<br>
<br>
Hackers are swines.<br>
<br>
- - gmc<br>
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