wow sorry for the long post... i ramble alot... damn adhd.<br>One more thing...<br>A WEBCAM! It's nice to have for fun reasons 24/7 live...<br>but a side benefit... when people are being watched - they behave.<br>OK another thing... (remember - I'm lit on adderall right now unfortunately)<br>
And use fun signs like "messy people will be forceably reprogrammed"<br>and "lasers to you / through you if you make a mess and take over the space"<br>or the classic New Orleans sign in every local establishment "BE NICE OR LEAVE" and make sure there's a smiley face or something nice on each sign. <br>
It helps put the standards in a nice way out there... over time people will catch on... and hopefully they want the respect of their peers.<br><br>Positive reinforcement. Thank people for cleaning up. Don't bitch hard at them for screwing it up. Bitching only makes others lose respect for you no matter how much you are "in the right". If they act like children - treat them like it... but be a friendly supportative parent.<br>
<br>It takes time for habits in the space to evolve into something that supports the whole point of having a shared/collaborative space.<br>If they can't even let others know they left a mess and why - and it happens all the time... for a long time... with no change... i hope you can boot them. They'll come back if it's done in a friendly way - with a new attitude!<br>
"I don't think that this club and yourself are on the same page... can you take a break for a while so we can get the mess cleaned up?"<br>Don't make them clean it maybe - hopefully they'll feel some regret and think twice.<br>
<br>Yah, I'm an old skool hippy... be nice and crap. :)<br><br>- mars<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Mars brown <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:itcamefrommars@gmail.com">itcamefrommars@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Ya, issues about organizing and respect can kill a space.<br>My personal noise/glitchcore studio next to Gumbolabs is a trainwreck... because that's how I roll.<br>
BUT in gumbolabs we have biannual cleaning days. We actually end up getting more people there than regular meets.<br>
It's a pretty small place - 12'x30'.... <br><br>What has worked for us is to have try to make it as easy as possible for people to store stuff - and encourage it nicely.<br>I understand the frustration... but expressing it without control (believe me I'm good at loosing control) really will make it worse.<br>
<br>I believe in ENABLING order - such as putting up cubbies on the wall and putting names on them.<br>Set simple rules like - table must be cleaned off after you are done for the day.<br>It's ok if an ongoing project stays out... but they need to announce it like this in respect of the space and others.<br>
" hey gang - I'm working on this big project and left it out ... is that ok with everyone... it'll be out of there in a week or two.. MAX! serious though... if anyone needs the space or is planning anything.. let me know. It's a little delicate and I'll come move it myself."<br>
<br><br>And downright making rules - but in a friendly way - of if you don't follow the basic golden rules of <br><br>"RESPECT THE SPACE AND YOUR FRIENDS BELONGINGS"<br><br>"BE AWESOME TO EACH OTHER - WE LOVE YOU SO LOVE US!" (no offense but you sound like you skimmed that one close yelling - i woulda too prolly - I'm getting better :)<br>
<br>"IF YOU DIDN'T WATCH MISTER ROGER'S NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN YOU WERE A KID - WATCH IT AND TAKE NOTES BEFORE YOU COME BACK IF YOU ARE A MESSY PERSON"<br><br>"THIS IS NOT YOUR BEDROOM - YOUR MOM IS NOT HERE - YA GOTTA BITE THE BULLET AND BE CLEAN HERE! - IF YOUR CUBBY ISN'T BIG ENOUGH FOR YOUR MESSY DISPOSITION - BRING A BIG CONTAINER AND ASK WHERE YOU CAN KEEP IT -- NO ROTTEN SAMMICHES IN IT EITHER"<br>
<br>Worst case scenario... in a freindly way... let the culprit know he's uninvited as far as full access for a little while... sorry it has to be that way... but we love ya anyhow... but totally keep coming to open hack nights!<br>
<br>We also sort of try to sponsor newcomers... so a regular member is responsible. New comers usually respect that person since they can only go when their sponsor comes... <br><br>I know it all sounds like alot... but it's ideas - we quickly got to a point where we didn't have to have any rules... <br>
but we're mostly adults over 20's.<br><br>Seriously though... friendly interactions work but aggression makes it worse. Again... I got that issue too.<br>If you're the only one who gives a rat's behind... bail and start something else maybe. <br>
<br>Sorry bout your computer... but cubby's help lots for that too if it's a lappy.<br><br>Just some ideas! Peace!<br>OH and my big thing is, again, ENABLE ORDER! - make it easy for people to stay organized. <br>
Bring up how can we put more personal storage in - in a meeting.<br>People learn by example... repeated example... over and over... it takes a little work cleaning up after people... but if you do it when people are there... they often start to get the hint. But not in a pissy or aggressive way.<br>
Deff don't go bitching behind others back - that breaks the respect rule... <br><font color="#888888"><br>- mars</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Koen Martens <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gmc@sonologic.nl" target="_blank">gmc@sonologic.nl</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 05:06:33PM +0200, h0uz3 wrote:<br>
> How good or bad does it work in your space to keep it clean and tidy?<br>
<br>
</div>It used to be a big friggin' mess.<br>
<br>
We've recently installed a whiteboard, which lists common tasks such<br>
as 'clean the toilets', 'vacuum X' (for all possible rooms X in our<br>
space), replace paper towels in kitchen and toilet, mop kitchen floor,<br>
etc...<br>
<br>
Each row has one task, followed by the desired frequency (1/f gives<br>
1 week, fortnight, 3 months, etc..). After that comes the name of<br>
the person who last did it and the date the task is due for. There's<br>
one last column that contains a red X if the task is overdue.<br>
<br>
This seems to work pretty well so far.<br>
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> Somehow I feel like enough people don't care to mess up the whole place.<br>
<br>
</div>They don't.<br>
<div><br>
> Best example: I wanted to use my computer and found it with a gooey<br>
> keyboard and mouse. Cleaned it thoroughly. Same thing happened the next<br>
> day, this time the mouse ball wasn't working anymore.<br>
<br>
</div>I sat down on an office chair in one of our rooms once, to discover there<br>
was chewing gum on it. Now that made me pissed.<br>
<br>
Hackers are swines.<br>
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- - gmc<br>
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