<div>Robin,<br></div><div>These are great structural examples, thank you. I'm glad to see they're being successfully driven. There's quite a lot of useful data here. I especially like <a href="http://crabgrass.riseuplabs.org/">http://crabgrass.riseuplabs.org/</a></div>
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What were the biggest challenges you had while running or starting a "shared-hospitality" house? Did you achieve a balance of security for both parties?</div><div><br></div><div>-Dave Johnson</div><div><br></div>
<div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 12:23 PM, robin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:robokow@gmail.com">robokow@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Hi.<br>
<br>
Ideally you wanna create different profiles for people and places.<br>
People can then be affiliated with the place (+state they have hosting<br>
capacity at home and which groups they've been with).<br>
<br>
Verification could go p2p, similar to how Bewelcome implemented it<br>
+with comments possibly. But trust-networks yes. Check also<br>
<a href="http://www.bewelcome.org/faq#question1" target="_blank">http://www.bewelcome.org/faq#question1</a><br>
<br>
What you're looking at is one of the things we thought of in relation<br>
to <a href="http://nomadbase.org" target="_blank">http://nomadbase.org</a> a while ago already. We done quite some<br>
brainstorming on this idea, as well as a conference.<br>
<br>
For now in my opinion I think the easy way forward for collectives is<br>
to have this feature integrated in bewelcome (which is to be ported to<br>
drupal soon, same platform as warmshowers). Though I can also see how<br>
this could be integrated within lorea for example, or with crabgrass,<br>
with a hospitality-feature. Or in the future fully<br>
federated/distributed.<br>
<br>
On the other hand, a hacker-specific hospitality-network could be cool<br>
too. I would actually propose to do it totally offline and just with<br>
pen and paper, ha!<br>
<br>
Myself I am not involved with any hackerspace (yet), but facilitate a<br>
"shared-hospitality" house for +3 years now and would be happy to<br>
share more thoughts/ ideas.<br>
<br>
Also check <a href="http://couchwiki.org" target="_blank">http://couchwiki.org</a><br>
<br>
Robin(o).<br>
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On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Agent 5 <<a href="mailto:ag3nt5@dc401.org">ag3nt5@dc401.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> That <a href="http://warmshowers.org" target="_blank">warmshowers.org</a> site is pretty neat structurally speaking.<br>
><br>
> Trust is a HUGE part of this. But I think if we are going to get to the next<br>
> logical stage of this Hackerspace journey we must try. I'm willing to take<br>
> the risk for the cause. I realize there will always be bad apples around but<br>
> that can be lessened if we all agree on a way to handle it properly.<br>
> There are so many options for this too and I wouldn't being to pretend to<br>
> know what the Hackerspace community will want.<br>
> Passport? written voucher? peer review? holding onto a valid credit card?<br>
> signing a waiver and agreement to repair/replace broken items? We have some<br>
> of the most intelligent and creative folk on Earth in our community. I am<br>
> fully confident we'll find the solution that works.<br>
> My current opinion is a combination of peer review/personal voucher (I<br>
> really like the stamped Passports) from a Hackerspace in reference to<br>
> someones character. In addition, I'd add a simple form thats says something<br>
> to the effect of "if you break, it you buy it". But again it's not up to me.<br>
> thats just one vote.<br>
> What do you believe Thinkhaus would feel comfortable with, James? (just<br>
> brainstorming)<br>
> -Dave Johnson<br>
> On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 10:32 AM, James Arlen <<a href="mailto:myrcurial@thinkhaus.org">myrcurial@thinkhaus.org</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Have a look at how it's handled amongst another itinerant group of<br>
>> techno-fetishists… bike touring folks have a site called "Warm Showers"<br>
>> (<a href="http://www.warmshowers.org/" target="_blank">http://www.warmshowers.org/</a>) which has approximately 10,000 places to get a<br>
>> shower, refuel and sleep. This is a peer-to-peer thing much as you've<br>
>> described and varies from "you can sleep in my back yard, here's the hose if<br>
>> you need water" to "welcome to our guest room, stay as long as you need".<br>
>> I imagine that the most important thing for success here is going to be<br>
>> the Whuffies. If someone I trust is willing to vouch that you're not a<br>
>> douchebag, I'd be much more ok with leaving you to hang in our hackerspace.<br>
>> For example, if you told me that you were backing another DC401 member and<br>
>> saying it was ok to host them at thinkhaus, I'd be fine with it… and<br>
>> contrarily, I'm not sure what it would take for me to close my eyes when<br>
>> openfly is around. :)<br>
>> Is it time to consider the addition of "letters patent" / "warrant" /<br>
>> "writ" or something… which ties a specific hackerspace passport to a<br>
>> specific hackerspace and/or chain of trust?<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On 2011-09-02, at 8:52 AM, Agent 5 wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Good idea! Hadn't thought of that. And thats an opportunity for us to<br>
>> bring more profiles onto the site even if they don't normally allow people<br>
>> to stay there very often. That would give us more ability to promote<br>
>> individual Hackerspaces in general.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> -Dave<br>
>> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 10:19 PM, ITechGeek <<a href="mailto:itg@itechgeek.com">itg@itechgeek.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> I think the system should also be able to allow for hackerspaces that<br>
>>> don't normally allow for sleeping, but due to something special going<br>
>>> on at the space or in town has opened it's doors to people sleeping<br>
>>> there (As has been the case w/ HacDC on a few occasions).<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 5:43 PM, Daniel Packer <<a href="mailto:dp@danielpacker.org">dp@danielpacker.org</a>><br>
>>> wrote:<br>
>>> > +1 for off-site lodging at fellow hacker's houses<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > -Daniel<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Agent 5 <<a href="mailto:ag3nt5@dc401.org">ag3nt5@dc401.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> >> Ed,<br>
>>> >> Excellent recommendation, I agree.<br>
>>> >><br>
>>> >> Something in the Hackerspace profile to the effect of selecting<br>
>>> >> "On-site /<br>
>>> >> Off-site Accommodations" you think?<br>
>>> > _______________________________________________<br>
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