<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><br></div><div>On Fri, 6 May 2011 13:12:18 +0200, Koen Martens <<a href="mailto:gmc@sonologic.nl">gmc@sonologic.nl</a>> </div><div>replied on the "Removing non-hackerspaces..." thread with text below. He praised John Arclight's idea of giving reviews to spaces and brought up the idea for a hackerspace guide book. I will agree with his write up on 23bShop</div><div>and add that not only does water flow but other liquids too. While laundry is close by, so is a good liquor store, and hardware, and tool supply and ... Its a great location. I wish our location had such resources close by. We are stuck out in a sugar cane field behind a big stinky sugar mill. But its free, so we try not to complain. </div><div><br></div><div>Back to the hackerspace guide... I traveled a bit, visiting spaces before getting down to business on MauiMakers, and posted some of the reviews at our blog</div><div> <a href="http://www.mauimakers.com/blog/category/other-hackerspaces/">http://www.mauimakers.com/blog/category/other-hackerspaces/</a></div><div>23bShop was one of the first reviewed. There are some non-review posts tagged in that list, and I've visited some others but havent completed the writeups. (sorry Hive76, where we ran into Koen at the front door).</div><div><br></div><div>Anywoot, I'd like to read other reviews of other spaces. If you happen to visit one, and blog about it, post a link to the discuss list! Maybe someone will get around to compiling a big listing, complete with reviews of locally available lodging for wandering hackers.</div><div><br></div><div><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Jerry Isdale<br><a href="http://MauiMakers.com">http://MauiMakers.com</a></div><div><br></div></div><div>Koen's post...</div></div><div><br></div><div><blockquote type="cite">On Thu, May 05, 2011 at 09:16:32AM -0700, john arclight wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">It seems like reviews work pretty well on sites like Yelp that list<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">restaurants. Give people the info and decide for youself.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Example:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">"Butch's Coffee Shop - 3 reviews: While they do serve coffee, it's mostly a<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">leather bar where BDSM enthusiasts meet. Lattes half off on Mondays. 3/5<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">stars"<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Etc.<br></blockquote><br>Mr. Arclight, you once again resolve a conundrum with absolute genius!<br><br>Seriously, no trolling intended. From time to time this discussion of<br>'what is a hackerspace' come up on this list, with everyone trying<br>to promote their arbitrary definition. Eg, 'renting an office space'<br>is apparently something that disqualifies you as a hackerspace in <br>some eyes. Others say its is community and tech. At some point I have<br>even seen a manifest drafted that came across as a normative <br>document to decide once and for all how to give out the official<br><a href="http://hackerspaces.org/">hackerspaces.org</a> 'seal of approval'.<br><br>Well, i don't care much of these definitions. It's all in the eye of<br>the beholder, in my humble opinion. Yes, I myself have once thought<br>about removing spaces from the list. But I never did, for one because<br>I never wanted to decide what is a hackerspace and what not.<br><br>I'm all for this review thing Arclight proposes, as it places what<br>the eye of the beholder sees in the public sphere. Although I hope<br>we can all be adult enough about it that we don't diss other spaces<br>with misguided negativity.<br><br>Anyway, when I was touring US spaces together with Flyko we discussed<br>this. We wanted to write something of a 'hotel guide' for hackerspaces,<br>since we were visiting and sometimes sleeping at so much hackerspaces.<br><br>"23bshop is nicely situatied in sunny Fullerton, CA. Its unassuming<br>storefront hides a wealth of machinery and equipment. If you have<br>car-troubles, you can rest assured that these people can help you fix<br>it and get you back on the road.<br><br>The cozy loft offers a place to reclude and spend a quiet night. There<br>is no air-conditioning but the space can be ventilated. Sanitary<br>conditions are well enough, there is a toilet and running water. Only<br>cold water. You might experience some issues with the alarm system,<br>so make sure you know where they keep their wirecutters.<br><br>With a laundry within walking distances (European standard) and a <br>coffee-shop serving an assortment of breakfast wraps, juice,<br>smoothies and coffee, 23b shop is the place in LA for the<br>hungry traveller. Good people with a sense of hopsitality."<br><br>- gmc<br></blockquote></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></body></html>