<div>In certain aspects see your point and I foresee an unfortunate consequence where too much money and politics get involved and much of the original spirit is lost (one example I can think of is the 'open core' aspect of the open source movement).<br>
</div><div><br></div><div>That being said, I think the argument that branching out to the community, local economy is soiling the purity of hackerspaces is ridiculous. Much like the example of open cores, it's an exception but doesn't break the rule and like the free software movement, the freedom to use the tools is what makes it strong.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Hackerspaces will remain hobbyist clubhouses, unless, the community becomes involved. Involved in all levels too. Schools won't care unless we can show we can teach. Local businesses won't care unless we can show our tools can help them compete and grow. The local city council might declare a "Hackspace" a den of thieves and shut us down if we don't get them to understand and care. In fact I believe it to be utterly essential to future of hackerspaces, and the hacker movement in general to become involved.</div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Far McKon <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:farmckon@gmail.com">farmckon@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Just to play devils advocate, I worry about some of the themes coming<br>
out in this thread.<br>
<br>
I worry that the socially aware 'we need to keep our agility and<br>
ability to do what we think is best' hackerspace movement is shifting<br>
into a 'we need good PR, and to create more startups' makerspace<br>
movement.<br>
<br>
Both are legitimate ideas, and both are legitimate movements. I<br>
personally have lot more interest in things like<br>
* teaching the people our education system is failing, and<br>
* reclaiming the term hacker<br>
* advocating for an open network, and sane copyright/culture laws<br>
<br>
and a lot less interest in :<br>
* creating a startup incubator<br>
* watch well educated white males meet and network with more well<br>
educated white males<br>
* make friends with city council, making 501(c)3 status, etc.<br>
<br>
Each of these small changes in direction are not too bad, but each one<br>
alters the velocity and direction of the community, and (IMHO) is<br>
steering it away from a direct action, hands on community I originally<br>
got interested in.<br>
<br>
Fablabs/Makerspaces overlap a lot with hackerspaces, but I think we<br>
should let them split apart more. I think 'makerspaces (and I include<br>
my own space in that group) are watering down the original spirit of<br>
hackerspaces, and undermining what I love(d) about the community. It's<br>
activism, it's hand-on, and it's distrust (and avoidance) of<br>
out-of-the loop 'authority' systems.<br>
<br>
Other opinions?<br>
<font color="#888888">- Far<br>
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