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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse; ">Some of the best female hackers I know are more into hacks of various kinds in the pursuit of art and expression. Not to over-generalize but there does seem to be more of that. </span></blockquote>
<div><br></div><div>I would agree with this statement and I wonder if we made a mistake in naming our movement. The term 'hacker' is confusing for most people outside of tech communities, there's been countless times that I've had to explain that we don't 'hack tehz gibs0n'.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Moreover, it shouldn't be surprising that in naming our workshops as hackerspace's that we end up attracting a bunch of males that want to build crazy robots, electronics and software, their minds have already been primed by the word 'hacker' and come ready to engage on that level.</div>
<div><br></div><div>In talking with my girlfriend about this (a non-technical woman in tech) she explained that she doesn't fully grasp what the point/purpose/goals of a hackerspace are. I turned around and called it a makerspace and she instantly understood and then went on to describe some things she wants to make.</div>
<div><br></div><div>In the end this leads me to believe that the name we've chosen is inherently excludes certain groups we would like to attract (male & female artists, crafters and more).</div><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 10:33 PM, Serendipity Seraph <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sseraph@me.com">sseraph@me.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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On Oct 3, 2010, at 3:22 PM, Ron Bean wrote:<br>
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> Serendipity Seraph <<a href="mailto:sseraph@me.com">sseraph@me.com</a>> writes:<br>
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>> But when I tell a male co-worker that the system is just "prettier" that<br>
>> way (aesthetic sense) their heads spin around. When "pretty" translates<br>
>> to better performance, more maintainable and easy to modify they have a<br>
>> bit more respect but still bristle at the word. But for me aesthetics<br>
>> are a big piece of how I do what I do even if I have to translate it or<br>
>> rationalize it in other ways for a a lot of colleagues.<br>
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> What if you call it "elegant" instead of "pretty"?<br>
> (They're not quite the same thing, but they do overlap quite a bit)<br>
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</div>Because I mean something a bit different than elegant. Elegant can be part of pretty but it just looks, feels, moves through state and configuration changes in a more aesthetically pleasing way. It is more alive or honest as a part of a software ecology. So to me "pretty" sums it up. Of course I have some suspicion I use it at this point in part just because of some of the reactions. :)<br>
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