There is a product that is similar to Club Mate in Canada called Sol Mate: <br><br><a href="http://www.drinksolmate.com/">http://www.drinksolmate.com/</a> (Warning: Site is almost entirely done in Flash)<br><br>Instead of using Glucose-Fructose, Sol Mate uses Organic Cane Sugar. The major downside to Sol Mate in Canada is that it retails for $2.25 a bottle, and it's only 296 ml per bottle. I believe that Club Mate bottles are much larger, and the cost is something like $5. I sometimes pick it up on sale when there's surplus stock at one of the smaller grocery stores in East Vancouver.<br>
<br>(Note: These are approximations, assuming dollar amounts in USD)<br><br>We found at VHS that they taste identical when you combine them with Rum to make Tschunk.<br><br>There is a brewing process, and it should be relatively easy to buy Yerba Mate to brew in North America (it is in Vancouver, I just have to walk 2 blocks to get 2kg of the stuff for $4).<br>
<br>Joe<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 11:03 AM, webmind <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:webmind@puscii.nl">webmind@puscii.nl</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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</div><div><div></div><div class="h5">On 2010-09-12 19:19, Alexandre Dulaunoy wrote:<br>
> On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 6:36 PM, webmind <<a href="mailto:webmind@puscii.nl">webmind@puscii.nl</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> On 2010-09-12 18:21, Alexandre Dulaunoy wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> Regarding Club-Mate, there is a kind of paradox in all the hackerspaces.<br>
>>> Club-Mate is the default drink available at any hackerspace around the<br>
>>> world but I haven't seen too much hacking around it (except an article in<br>
>>> Makezine/2010).<br>
>><br>
>> Well, there has been some creativity with recipes and club-mate. Besides<br>
>> the usual cocktails there are also club-mate pancakes. I'm sure there<br>
>> are more recipes possible. food-hacking ftw :)<br>
>><br>
>>> The main plant extract in Club-Mate is the "Ilex paraguariensis" (common name:<br>
>>> Yerba mate) and the main active components are : theobromine<br>
>>> (well-known to the chocolate fan), caffeine (everyone knows) and<br>
>>> dimethylxanthine (the increase of heart pulsation is mainly due to<br>
>>> that component).<br>
>><br>
>> do you have source of what these xantheines do to you? I haven't been<br>
>> able to find any reliable information besides that they have an impact<br>
>> on the regulation of hormones (such as adrenaline).<br>
><br>
> The methylxanthines-derivative were well-known components used for<br>
> asthma treatment<br>
> (now replaced with other drugs) and you can find a lot of publication<br>
> on the side-effects.<br>
><br>
> I think the main publication in the area is :<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://circres.ahajournals.org/cgi/reprint/30/4/367.pdf" target="_blank">http://circres.ahajournals.org/cgi/reprint/30/4/367.pdf</a><br>
><br>
> "Influence of Caffeine and Other Methylxanthines on Mechanical<br>
> Properties of Isolated Mammalian Heart Muscle"<br>
><br>
> and all the publications mentioning the side-effects of asthma<br>
> treatment using methylxanthine. I assume that Club-Mate/Ilex extract<br>
> includes multiple<br>
> derivative of methylxanthines as the xanthine is a very general<br>
> group... and usually<br>
> some plants could do the synthesis of multiple variations (as the<br>
> theomobromine or the caffeine are already variation of the xanthine<br>
> group).<br>
><br>
> It seems only a specific sub-species of the Ilex contains multiple<br>
> methyxanthines:<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?pid=S0103-50531999000600004&script=sci_arttext&tlng=en" target="_blank">http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?pid=S0103-50531999000600004&script=sci_arttext&tlng=en</a><br>
><br>
>>> The plant cultivation needs specific condition to grow properly but<br>
>>> maybe there are some opportunities of gardening hacking? Can<br>
>>> we grow easily "Yerba Mate" in pot inside? or even outside in<br>
>>> continental weather condition? What are the ways of extraction/brewing<br>
>>> and how can we properly measure the active components inside?<br>
>><br>
>> Good questions! The loscher people keep their methods secret, but I do<br>
>> recall hearing about open-source recipes.<br>
><br>
> I would be very interested to hear about free-production method for the<br>
> Yerba Mate and how the extraction is efficiently performed.<br>
><br>
> This sounds to be a nice hacking project.<br>
<br>
</div></div>Well, loscher did admit it is atleast partially a brewing process, did<br>
would also make sense due to the fact that club-mate improves over time.<br>
How this would work in detail, no idea.<br>
<br>
something else, I heard someone (forgot who), that there is a similar<br>
product to club-mate available in canada, anyone know more?<br>
<br>
w.<br>
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