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I can second that. College IT is (in my experience) going to either be
really nice and try to help you out...or they will curse you to the
depths. <br>
Then again, it really is who you end up working with. I find that the
guys that repair systems on campus are usually a really good resource.
They are nice and a little hackerish themselves.<br>
I would suggest you talk with them some about what you are working on
or even trying to get some old hardware for a project. I know the guys
at the University here have been a huge help to me in the past. <br>
<br>
If you are hoping to get a university to allow students to "Pen Test"
the network I would tread softly, a lot of .edu network people have a
more of a shoot first - ask later personality. Im sure we have all seen
the articles about the guy just trying to help out and sending email to
a .edu admin only to either be kicked out of school or have charges
brought against them. <br>
One suggestion for this would be to setup a demo lab to show them what
you can do. Just make sure its computers NOT connected to their network
until you get the OK (in writing!). <br>
<br>
At my school the "Help Desk" is almost exclusively a student job as
well as the "pc tech/lab tech". This can be nice but I have noticed
they tend to hire people that are either on financial aid or don't
really know much more than "This is how to print in MS office". <br>
<br>
Good luck with your talk, Our hackerspace is working to get students
interested and maybe having a club on campus that dose basically the
same thing as our group but as an Registered Student Organization
(RSO). We have had several of the clubs ask us to make them cool toys
(lighting rigs, little micro projects..some other random stuff). One
good thing that has given us is to show the rest of the students what
we can do (spark interest) and has the IT group at least a little less
uptight about us calling ourselves a "Hackerspace". (Remember the media
tells everyone were all evil!).<br>
<br>
-E<br>
<br>
On 05/28/2010 08:40 AM, Matt Joyce wrote:
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cite="mid:AANLkTikK5gmzoW-gX08fQ9b7ychzJKF5MfuXGukCS-eq@mail.gmail.com"
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<p>When I was in college, I became pretty good friends with the
network lead, I found that a bunch of his managed switches had a not so
documented default login. But, the it dept in general hated me. They
removed internet access from my dorm room at one point. They didn't
like that my system wasn't behaving normally. I filed a complaint with
a couple deans and they straight up lost it. They went so far as to
lock me out of course registrations.</p>
<p>A few bad eggs can make your life very difficult. I ended up
doing some work for a large grant at the college and as a result was
building some pretty neat apps that IT had to take ownership of after I
left. We spent considerable amounts of time causing each other grief.</p>
<p>Moral of the story is... not everyone is awesome. Be cautious in
dealing with college IT folks. </p>
<p>Also, grants are a hell of a lot more fun to work for than IT.</p>
<blockquote type="cite">On May 28, 2010 10:19 AM, "Far McKon" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:farmckon@gmail.com">farmckon@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
Hey folks,<br>
I'm putting together a talk about student hackers in a college<br>
environment. A large part of this is an argument for giving students<br>
more freedom on the network, making a space/setting/environment where<br>
they can hack around *without* making a pain for the rest of the IT<br>
infrastructure. So I'm looking to find good background on successful<br>
student - IT Department collaborations. IE Student Interns, Penn<br>
tests by students, etc. Even students working the help desk and IT<br>
building are a bit of interest. Cases of 'I found bug X and uni. IT<br>
hired me' or 'We had a nice sysdmin that let us play on the network'<br>
are also of interest.<br>
<br>
If you want to share, I'm all ears. I'd love to hear about it (off<br>
list) so I can make sure I'm getting solid evidence to back my ideas.<br>
<br>
thanks in advance, and hack on,<br>
- Far McKon<br>
<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.Hive76.org"
target="_blank">http://www.Hive76.org</a> "Making things awesome,
making awesome things!"<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.FarMcKon.net"
target="_blank">http://www.FarMcKon.net</a> "Creatively Maladjusted"<br>
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