<div><div>> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; border-collapse: collapse; ">it appears that 2010 will be the year when there will be more spaces folding than opening</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; border-collapse: collapse; "><br>
</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; border-collapse: collapse; ">I agree. That's what happens when you get a massive publicity push like the HS movement got in '08 and '09 (the co-working movement in the USA is seeing this too, by the way). Articles in every publication and a lot of overexcited folks getting too deep into a medium sized weekend project (signing a lease and donating old electronics) before considering the long term commitment. It's not a statement on what hackerspaces are or what "hackers" are capable of (god, I hate that label), but on how society works. People try things, some stick, some don't. <span style="border-collapse: separate; "><em style="font-style: normal; ">Such is life.</em></span></span></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse: collapse; "><span style="border-collapse: separate; "><em style="font-style: normal; "><br></em></span></span></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse: collapse; "><span style="border-collapse: separate; "><em style="font-style: normal; ">I believe the spaces are only external manifestations of something that's been around and will continue to be around. I'm on the 10,000 year plan, some amount of phase shift is expected at the local scale.</em></span></span></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse: collapse; "><br></span></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse: collapse; "><br></span></font></div><div><span style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; border-collapse: collapse; ">- Adam</span></div>
</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 11:58 AM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:quemener.yves@free.fr" target="_blank">quemener.yves@free.fr</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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----- "Nick Farr (<a href="http://hackerspaces.org" target="_blank">hackerspaces.org</a>)" <<a href="mailto:nick@hackerspaces.org" target="_blank">nick@hackerspaces.org</a>> a écrit :<br>
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> On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 21:10, Donald J Ankney <<a href="mailto:dankney@hackerco.de" target="_blank">dankney@hackerco.de</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
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> > Assuming that insurance reasons are an underlying motivation<br>
> > and not a rationalization is the first one. I voted against kids in<br>
> > the Black Lodge because I don't want to be a babysitter.<br>
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</div>To add on this :<br>
I personally go to the hackerspace to hack with people, to share advanced knowledge.<br>
I go to another non-profit to organize science activities for children. This is not the same activity.<br>
Sometimes one want to hack and quickly get something working. In that case, yes, this is elitist, but I prefer people who are already knowledgeable about the subject. For education there are conferences.<br>
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The problem with kids are usually not with kids but with the parents : "my kid will help you ! He's so smart ! He codes in BASIC". The kid is fine. But a smart and advanced kid is not what makes a hacker. Go find other people of the same level, go learn a bit more, come make small robots with me at the non-profit for youth science and come back to the hackerspace once you want to go further.<br>
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Both activities are honorable, but they are different, in my humble opinion. They can happen in the same place, but understand that by mixing them, none of them will work efficiently.<br>
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