it's a really political question, and hackers hate being political, i think. <br><br>when I talk to my for-profit friends, they have stupid ideas - like buy a hotel or apartment complex for the hackerspace, have the big main room the lab, and have people rent the other rooms. i love this idea if it ends there, but it always go to 'and we could use that rent money to buy equipment, and buy food, and pay salaries, oh and i could use a new car, hey maybe i could milk these stupid hacker bitches for a new house! Hahahaha!<br>
<br>honest to god, that's what they say. i believe we would rather see fair, directly proportional, efficient pricing, and direct requests for new funding. <br><br>we're making a huge concession trusting a juristic person with our assets and our culture, as they have traditionally abused, raped, pulverized, and juiced every drip out of human cultures until we have to start over from scratch and suffer a 'depression'. <br>
<br>i dont know how to regularly classify that behavior in the measurable attributes of hackerspaces, but that's what i don't want to see happen. i don't see for-profit being a good business model for the hackerspace. how much money are hackers really willing to give, lol? it's better to get registered to receive donations!<br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Jarkko Moilanen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Jarkko.Moilanen@uta.fi">Jarkko.Moilanen@uta.fi</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="im">Quoting tetsu yatsu <<a href="mailto:tetsuharu@gmail.com" target="_blank">tetsuharu@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
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I didn't want to say it without researching it at home, but yeah, I noticed<br>
a few a while ago that were purely for-profit machine shops. In Orlando<br>
there's a company called Co-Lab that everyone thinks of before us. They<br>
offer a cubicle, a wall outlet, and a wifi connection for like $15/day or<br>
$150/mo. They haven't listed themselves, but god help me i will delist them<br>
the day they try.<br>
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So purely for-profit shops are not hackerspaces (that can be listed in <a href="http://hackerspaces.org" target="_blank">hackerspaces.org</a>), right? What about half-for-profit, those shops who offer something to someone for money or other compensation? At least some of the hackerspaces need to 'sell' services or something else to keep office running. Who's going to draw the line? Don't get me wrong, these questions just keep on popping to my head. Or perhaps I have missed some documentation somewhere.<br>
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On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 5:05 PM, Far McKon <<a href="mailto:farmckon@gmail.com" target="_blank">farmckon@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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Yo seriously?<br>
That is just nuts. Frankly, that's just a commercial company bending<br>
the meaning of 'hackerspace' to get itself listed and get some free<br>
advert. I think that's bordering on slimey.<br>
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I second the call for some editing, and maybe a nice email to the<br>
person that added those, with a "hey, that was not cool, our group<br>
doesn't exist so you can bend the rules to show off and try to<br>
advertise" note. I'm sure their goal isn't to abuse the trust, but<br>
that is what they've done IMHO.<br>
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opinionated in Philly<br>
- Far McKon<br>
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On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Tilman Frosch <<a href="mailto:til@das-labor.org" target="_blank">til@das-labor.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> Am Dienstag, den 17.11.2009, 20:46 +0100 schrieb Bartosz Kostrzewa:<br>
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>> hmm... dunno where those spaces came from!<br>
><br>
> As long as <a href="http://hackerspaces.org" target="_blank">hackerspaces.org</a> does not sell advertising space, those<br>
> Ponoko 'spaces' are due for some good German-style wiki page<br>
> deletion ...<br>
><br>
> my 0.02?<br>
><br>
> BTW: Das Labor had ~65 members in april. I don't know about any more<br>
> recent figures.<br>
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> Til<br>
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