<br>This is something I hope our hackerspace community as a whole will pursue or utilize.<div><br><div>Nathan Cravens</div><div>Open Manufacturing</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>
From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Michel Bauwens</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michelsub2004@gmail.com">michelsub2004@gmail.com</a>></span><br>Date: Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 12:16 AM<br>Subject: [p2p-research] Fwd: OpenStuff/Fairware<br>
To: Peer-To-Peer Research List <<a href="mailto:p2presearch@listcultures.org">p2presearch@listcultures.org</a>>, Open Manufacturing <<a href="mailto:openmanufacturing@googlegroups.com">openmanufacturing@googlegroups.com</a>><br>
<br><br>I'm sure most of you are well aware of Smari's project, but if not, it's absolutely worthy of support,<br><br>Michel<br><br><br>This fits into what I've been doing. I've been working on a system<br>
called "tangible bit" (<a href="http://www.tangiblebit.com/" target="_blank">www.tangiblebit.com</a>) that's essentially a<br>
networked resource map. It ostensibly maps resources (think: plywood,<br>
transistors, bicycles, milk.. ) and manufacturing processes/capabilities<br>
(think: CNC mill, pick'n'place, welding rig, butter churner) in a<br>
geodata setting with both resources and capabilities tied into "sites".<br>
The idea is that if you have enough resources mapped and enough<br>
processes mapped you can start to do some fancy sparse matrix inversion<br>
in order to find the shortest path to any given product constrained on a<br>
number of variables such as cost, distance materials must travel,<br>
environmental impact, etc.<br>
<br>
I'm not very far along the line with this and desperately need somebody<br>
to be hacking on this with me so that design decisions become more<br>
rational and that the right development path is followed - I can do it<br>
alone, but it'll take a very long time and it might come out weird. If<br>
you want to take a look, clone the GIT archive from<br>
<a href="http://www.tangiblebit.com/tangiblebit.git" target="_blank">http://www.tangiblebit.com/tangiblebit.git</a><br>
<br>
What I'm thinking though is that given this database+interface it should<br>
be relatively easy to add a "shop" to it (perhaps Satchmo based?) that<br>
allows sites to take and process arbitrary orders, either from other<br>
sites or from individuals. In fact, this would be highly valuable.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Smári McCarthy</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:smari@anarchism.is" target="_blank">smari@anarchism.is</a>></span><br>
Date: 2009/7/25<br>Subject: Re: OpenStuff/Fairware<br>To: Franz Nahrada <<a href="mailto:f.nahrada@reflex.at" target="_blank">f.nahrada@reflex.at</a>><br>Cc: <a href="mailto:dante.monson@gmail.com" target="_blank">dante.monson@gmail.com</a>, Vinay Gupta <<a href="mailto:hexayurt@gmail.com" target="_blank">hexayurt@gmail.com</a>>, Marcin Jakubowski <<a href="mailto:joseph.dolittle@gmail.com" target="_blank">joseph.dolittle@gmail.com</a>>, Alex Rollin <<a href="mailto:alex.rollin@gmail.com" target="_blank">alex.rollin@gmail.com</a>>, Jeff Petry <<a href="mailto:jeff@lannaconsulting.com" target="_blank">jeff@lannaconsulting.com</a>>, james burke <<a href="mailto:lifesized@gmail.com" target="_blank">lifesized@gmail.com</a>>, Michel Bauwens <<a href="mailto:michelsub2004@gmail.com" target="_blank">michelsub2004@gmail.com</a>>, Caroline Zeller <<a href="mailto:caroline.zeller@gmail.com" target="_blank">caroline.zeller@gmail.com</a>>, Manfred Kohler <<a href="mailto:EdKohler@gmx.net" target="_blank">EdKohler@gmx.net</a>>, Michael Franz Reinisch <e.mail@mfr.cc>, Ralf Schlatterbeck <<a href="mailto:office@runtux.com" target="_blank">office@runtux.com</a>>, Thomas Diener <<a href="mailto:td@fairwork.com" target="_blank">td@fairwork.com</a>>, Thomas Diener2 <<a href="mailto:info@fairwork.com" target="_blank">info@fairwork.com</a>><br>
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Hi all,<br>
<br>
Comments inline.<br>
<br>
Franz Nahrada wrote:<br>
> The meeting was quite extensive the next day and we tried to link various<br>
> perspectives to find a sústainable pattern that might go far beyond the<br>
> opportunity of the moment. Of course its "up in the air" to create a<br>
> dealership for Open Source products, but what if such a dealership was<br>
> embedded in an operating system which facilitated communication between<br>
> all involved groups, users, developers, producers, workers, retailers and<br>
> so on?<br>
<br>
This fits into what I've been doing. I've been working on a system<br>
called "tangible bit" (<a href="http://www.tangiblebit.com" target="_blank">www.tangiblebit.com</a>) that's essentially a<br>
networked resource map. It ostensibly maps resources (think: plywood,<br>
transistors, bicycles, milk.. ) and manufacturing processes/capabilities<br>
(think: CNC mill, pick'n'place, welding rig, butter churner) in a<br>
geodata setting with both resources and capabilities tied into "sites".<br>
The idea is that if you have enough resources mapped and enough<br>
processes mapped you can start to do some fancy sparse matrix inversion<br>
in order to find the shortest path to any given product constrained on a<br>
number of variables such as cost, distance materials must travel,<br>
environmental impact, etc.<br>
<br>
I'm not very far along the line with this and desperately need somebody<br>
to be hacking on this with me so that design decisions become more<br>
rational and that the right development path is followed - I can do it<br>
alone, but it'll take a very long time and it might come out weird. If<br>
you want to take a look, clone the GIT archive from<br>
<a href="http://www.tangiblebit.com/tangiblebit.git" target="_blank">http://www.tangiblebit.com/tangiblebit.git</a><br>
<br>
What I'm thinking though is that given this database+interface it should<br>
be relatively easy to add a "shop" to it (perhaps Satchmo based?) that<br>
allows sites to take and process arbitrary orders, either from other<br>
sites or from individuals. In fact, this would be highly valuable.<br>
<br>
> * A foundation to guard the availability of all knowledge and design<br>
> against privatisation and enclosure.<br>
> * Platforms and online communities for user - designer - producer -<br>
> retailer communication<br>
> * A way to channel resources to developers who commit to Open Source design<br>
<br>
Quite!<br>
<br>
> The questions involved are manyfold, one of the aspects that so far have<br>
> hardly been touched is the fact that Open Stuff involves real physical<br>
> production. So automatically there are questions involved like quality<br>
> control (warranty etc), working conditions etc that you just cannot<br>
> "outsource" to somebody else.<br>
<br>
I know that Michael Angst andd Alan Gershenfeld have been thinking about<br>
the same thing in terms of the Fab Fund (<a href="http://www.fabcompany.com" target="_blank">http://www.fabcompany.com</a>), but<br>
so far I've yet to see any idea come from them that isn't inherently<br>
anti-social, profiteering and plain bad. They've been proposing that<br>
designers license the production of their designs to the Fab Company,<br>
which does necessary QC and testing (e.g. for CE markings) and takes a<br>
substantial portion of the proceeds ... which is very un-P2P, but the<br>
fact that they've done the leg work of finding out what actually needs<br>
to be done in terms of QC and testing for "crowdsourced designs" means<br>
that we can probably get info from them.<br>
<br>
> It seems that "immaterial" goods like music are already well covered by<br>
> ventures like <a href="http://www.opensourcemusic.com/" target="_blank">http://www.opensourcemusic.com/</a><br>
> and Jamendo, while the logistic of material goods is much mored digfficult<br>
> to tackle with.<br>
<br>
Not to mention Magnatune, which is quite thoroughly awesome.<br>
<br>
> But I think this foundation should not be the P2P Foundation, because with<br>
> this commercial involvvement it would loose its primary role as a Civil<br>
> Society Organisation and metapolitical pressure group. There needs to be a<br>
> special foundation as Thomas describes it (see at bottom). The only type<br>
> of foundation that would be strong enough to carry this through would be a<br>
> democratically elected body that is based on a constitution, stable and<br>
> well-designed.<br>
<br>
Agreed.<br>
<br>
> I agree the market is now ready for this since the message is spread about<br>
> new stuff with a new aura, and the early adopters are waiting. Maybe we<br>
> have not found a Steven Jobs type yet who is able to unite the feelings of<br>
> users, developers and producers and produce a compelling message and a<br>
> feeling of "the sky is the limit". But that is what we will need!<br>
<br>
Who needs Steve Jobs? We've got Vinay... erm. Heh. Just kidding. :P<br>
<br>
> I do not fully understand Smaris distinction between a "peer produced<br>
> product" and a "simply open source based merchandise". In fact the<br>
> difference is at least blurring, as physical production in a p2p style has<br>
> not been seen yet (and also I think it would be very hard to make a<br>
> distinction). I like the idea of intentional localizing and having the<br>
> choice for a master and craftsperson near you.<br>
<br>
I meant the difference to be "locally produced from an open design"<br>
versus "mass produced based on an open design and then transported"...<br>
sorry I was unclear.<br>
<br>
<br>
- Smári<br>
<br>
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