Hi Eric,<br><br>Our space is called the 23b Shop. It's located in Southern California. And to answer your question, we are typically unanimous on new key holders. We have a pretty high tolerance for anyone else who comes by and wants to work, as long as they aren't stealing our tools and computers to buy smack or something. But 24/7 key folks need everyone's blessing at this point.<br>
<br>Here is the Hackerspace URL:<br><a href="http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/23b_Shop">http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/23b_Shop</a><br><br>Arclight<br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 6:32 PM, Dave Null <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:noid23@gmail.com">noid23@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">We've got few enough key holders that we would prefer a unanimous vote<br>
at this point, however one lone dissenter we could probably live with<br>
:)<br>
<br>
If we were ever to hit a dozen or more members I would imagine a<br>
majority vote would have to suffice as you can't make everyone happy<br>
all the time.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
PGP Key ID: 0x0517358E<br>
"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they<br>
are free" - Goethe<br>
--<br>
<br>
<br>
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</div>On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Eric<br>
<div><div></div><div class="h5">Gerlach<<a href="mailto:eric%2Bhackerspaces-discuss@gerlach.ca">eric+hackerspaces-discuss@gerlach.ca</a>> wrote:<br>
> Hi Dave,<br>
><br>
> How do you determine who becomes a new keyholder? Simple majority vote?<br>
> Unanimous?<br>
><br>
> Thanks for your help!<br>
><br>
> Cheers,<br>
><br>
> Eric<br>
><br>
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 11:33:58AM -0700, Dave Null wrote:<br>
>> The Lodge follows this same policy almost exactly. The space is open<br>
>> to anyone on 'open house' days or if there's a class going on<br>
>> (Homebrew workshop 2 weeks ago is an example). If someone needs the<br>
>> space at another time (i.e. need to hold a meeting, etc) they can<br>
>> contact a keyholder who can open the shop up for them. If someone<br>
>> hangs around long enough, demonstrates that they're 'good people', and<br>
>> has some financial stability (rent is 160/mo) they can become a key<br>
>> holder..if they want to be. There's plenty of good people that are<br>
>> regulars at the Lodge that either don't need/want 24 hour access or<br>
>> want to put the cash in monthly to pay for the space. Those folks just<br>
>> toss a few bucks in the donation box from time to time to help pay for<br>
>> the pop they drink.<br>
>><br>
>> PGP Key ID: 0x0517358E<br>
>> "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they<br>
>> are free" - Goethe<br>
>> --<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 11:26 AM, john arclight<<a href="mailto:arclight@gmail.com">arclight@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> > Our policy is as follows:<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Anyone can show up and work or hang out when a keyholder is present. They<br>
>> > can come as often as they like and we even have free cubby holes to store<br>
>> > projects in. People who use the space in this way are encouraged to donate<br>
>> > something if they can but it's not required.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > The keyholders are the actual rent payers. We charge $200/mo for unlimited<br>
>> > 24/7 access and have a small number of these members. In order to become a<br>
>> > key holder, you need to:<br>
>> ><br>
>> > 1. Convince us that you can pay in a timely manner.<br>
>> > 2. Hang out with us enough times that we know you are responsible and going<br>
>> > to be a good citizen. We did have to revoke one key in the last 2 years,<br>
>> > but this was because the person went a little nuts on us.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Arclight<br>
>> ><br>
>> > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 11:16 AM, nicolle <<a href="mailto:superherogirl@gmail.com">superherogirl@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> At Pumping Station: One, in Chicago, we don't have a formal vetting<br>
>> >> process. One of our core principles is that anyone aged 18 or older is<br>
>> >> free to become a member of our organization. Therefore, if someone<br>
>> >> hears about us, comes by, likes what they see, and pays the monthly<br>
>> >> membership fee, they get a key and get 24 hour access to our space.<br>
>> >> (Right now it's physical keys, although we're hoping to implement key<br>
>> >> cards soon.)<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> We have had a physical space for about two months now, and it's working<br>
>> >> out nicely. Of course it's a risk to allow such open access to the<br>
>> >> space, but it's a calculated one in my opinion. Under our model, the<br>
>> >> core benefit of being a member is not just access to the space, but<br>
>> >> twenty-four hour a day, seven day a week access to the space. There's<br>
>> >> no such thing as a member without a key. Our space is big enough that<br>
>> >> it can accommodate the number of members who join under our open policy,<br>
>> >> and doing it any other way would violate our intent to involve as many<br>
>> >> new and interesting people in the hackerspace as possible.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> nicky<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> David Powell wrote:<br>
>> >> > We are a new hackerspace in Maryland, USA so we don't have a whole lot<br>
>> >> > of experience. We have discusses this issue and basically it came down<br>
>> >> > to all the existing keyholders must vote in private on weather to<br>
>> >> > allow or deny a member to right to have 24/7 access. With that said we<br>
>> >> > don't actually have a 24/7 facilility available to us yet so we have<br>
>> >> > not given out any keys. When the time comes that we do have 24/7<br>
>> >> > access the board members will have keys and the charter members will<br>
>> >> > also have keys. Currently there are 5 of us putting everything we have<br>
>> >> > into forming our hackerspace. Those 5 will be considered charter<br>
>> >> > members and will ultimately be who gets to decide who else has a key.<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > Not every member needs a key. You need to be careful who you hand them<br>
>> >> > out to. If you have a member who really needs 24/7 access I'm sure<br>
>> >> > they will let you know that they tried to access the building but<br>
>> >> > nobody was there. At that time you could offer to motion for a vote on<br>
>> >> > their behalf amoungst the other keyholders.<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > I would not hand out a key to a new member. We have discussed<br>
>> >> > requiring background checks before providing keys. This is easily done<br>
>> >> > in 5 minutes for free in Maryland using the courts website.<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > One thing you may also want to implement is a quarterly inventory of<br>
>> >> > the keys. Mark each members key with a number and possibly with a do<br>
>> >> > not duplicate message. Then every quarter ask to physically see their<br>
>> >> > key. If they don't have it then it may be time to change the locks.<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > Finally, I've toyed with the idea of not having a key at all. There<br>
>> >> > are plenty of inexpensive electronic locks. This will allow you to<br>
>> >> > keep a log of who accessed the building and when. It would also allow<br>
>> >> > you to setup a system where you can remotely allow a member to enter.<br>
>> >> > So they may not need full access but they may need to call someone and<br>
>> >> > request use of the building before entering.<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > Discuss this over with your members and see what they are comfortable<br>
>> >> > with.<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > On 6/17/09, Eric Gerlach <<a href="mailto:eric%2Bhackerspaces-discuss@gerlach.ca">eric+hackerspaces-discuss@gerlach.ca</a>> wrote:<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> >> Hi all,<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> Some of you may have seen me asking this question on IRC over the last<br>
>> >> >> few days, so if you're one of those people, my apologies for the<br>
>> >> >> duplicate communication. Feel free to respond anyways :-)<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> I'm working with a group in Kitchener-Waterloo, Ontario, Canada to<br>
>> >> >> build<br>
>> >> >> a new hackerspace. One of the debates we're having right now is about<br>
>> >> >> vetting new members. I'm really interested in what other spaces are<br>
>> >> >> doing.<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> Specifically, I'm interested in what a person has to do to become a<br>
>> >> >> member of your organization and get 24/7 access to the space (if you<br>
>> >> >> allow that), and what you feel the advantages and disadvantages to your<br>
>> >> >> approach are.<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> Thanks in advance for your help.<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> Cheers,<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> Eric<br>
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