Simplicity is great. I don't disagree. And if "Be excellent to each other" was enough I wouldn't have brought this up as an issue. I think we need something more, and the past few days are the evidence I would submit of that. This is a new list and it's important to set the proper tone early on. We don't need valuable members of the hackerspace community dropping off of the list in frustration.<br>
<br>-Matt<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 7:04 PM, webmind <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:webmind@puscii.nl">webmind@puscii.nl</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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Not sure where exactly the best place to reply is in this thread, so I<br>
take the new base.<br>
<br>
I do not agree with the assumption that a discussion need to be a formal<br>
discourse. I do not think you need a formal framework for having<br>
discussions, offline or online.<br>
I certainly don't think that you need a specific moderator on a list.<br>
<br>
If communication really is or becomes a problem, I can understand<br>
forming rules, as this can help with/against misunderstandings and<br>
communication errors. Something that is IMHO very likely to happen with<br>
such diverse groups. But I don't think we need any kind of central<br>
moderation for this.<br>
<br>
And by rules I indeed think more about preventing aggression in<br>
communication (from plain flaming to ridiculing), I think that is pretty<br>
much in line with the examples that Matt gave (excuse me if I'm wrong).<br>
But if someone doesn't or just can't follow the rules, I think you're or<br>
we should be able to solve it as a group. By commenting on the issue at<br>
hand if required. Yes, this has the risk of turning in a huge thread<br>
discussing how's and why's but anyone is completely free to ignore those<br>
threads. I do think they are useful, and we have a public archive to<br>
point to if it gets repetitive.<br>
<br>
Long mail short:<br>
I do think this is a discussion list, just maybe not everyone's type of<br>
'discussion.<br>
I do not oppose rules, but I am against central moderation/control.<br>
I think non-aggressive and open-minded communication is non-trivial<br>
I think people are quite capable to decide what they want to read/follow<br>
or not.<br>
<br>
Oh, and I don't think we should make any set of rules to complex, I like<br>
simplicity.<br>
<br>
my 2cts.<br>
<br>
webmind.<br>
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