Firstly Paul Bohm who claims to be running the list. "Mentally kill filed" an on going discussion on the list and moderation needs. Really demonstrated and abject lack of responsibility and basically let us all know that he could care less what anyone else thinks.<br>
<br>Secondly and more directly to the point.<br><br>"*** From what I've read so far, I see that you and another person are in<br>
favor of pro-active moderation, while the rest are against any form of a<br>
priori censorship. Either, as Paul suggested, you take responsibility for<br>
it, or I guess we should drop the case."<br><br>Premature end to an on going discussion that he obviously wants no part of. Erronous view point regarding the discussion since at least 4 people have directly voiced concerns regarding the method of discourse on this mailing list. Specifically I cite, shardy, eric / druid, myself, and eric michauds comments regarding why just ignoring people is problematic (That's ignoring 3ric leaving the list entirely). Also Jens and others were willing participants in the ongoing discussion that Paul would like to see come to an end in spite of the progress being made.<br>
<br>Flame bait...<br><br>
"We're way beyond Johannes' stimulation for political consciousness into<br>
active political action (either way: for or against censorship/moderation,<br>
i.e. "discussion" vs. "conversation")"<br><br>a failed attempt to draw a parallel between moderation and censorship (with a sudden desire to bring an unrelated and explosive topic into the mix). That's Flamebait.<br>
<br> Standardization of communication is the very nature of language. We
are not discussing censorship. We're discussing a ruleset for
standardized communication of ideas. No ones ideas are being banned.
We are simply requesting that communication be kept to a standard that
allows for discussion to continue on the discussion mailing list.
This point has been covered to death.<br><br>Finally , a conclusion drawn from the aether...<br><br>". I don't think there's more need to<br>
discuss the matter: you want moderation, you take care of it, otherwise,<br>
just skip it and we resume to something else."<br>
<br>And yes... I would like to see moderation taken care of an I am certain people are willing to step up to plate to do it. I would volunteer myself if not for my very vocal support for the subject. I feel that may disqualify me.<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 7:41 PM, webmind <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:webmind@puscii.nl">webmind@puscii.nl</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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</div>I re-read the mail 3 times, can you please explain to me how this is a<br>
flame-bait?<br>
Looks like an honest mail to me.<br>
<br>
W.<br>
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Matt Joyce wrote:<br>
> Please stop flame baiting.<br>
><br>
> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Hellekin O. Wolf (/tmp/lab)<br>
</div><div><div></div><div class="h5">> <<a href="mailto:hellekin@hackerspaces.org">hellekin@hackerspaces.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:hellekin@hackerspaces.org">hellekin@hackerspaces.org</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> On Thu 2009-05-14@19:08:48 -0400, Matt Joyce wrote:<br>
> > Simplicity is great. I don't disagree. And if "Be excellent to<br>
> each other"<br>
> > was enough I wouldn't have brought this up as an issue. I think<br>
> we need<br>
> > something more, and the past few days are the evidence I would<br>
> submit of<br>
> > that. This is a new list and it's important to set the proper<br>
> tone early<br>
> > on. We don't need valuable members of the hackerspace community<br>
> dropping<br>
> > off of the list in frustration.<br>
> ><br>
> > -Matt<br>
> ><br>
> *** From what I've read so far, I see that you and another person are in<br>
> favor of pro-active moderation, while the rest are against any form of a<br>
> priori censorship. Either, as Paul suggested, you take<br>
> responsibility for<br>
> it, or I guess we should drop the case.<br>
><br>
> We're way beyond Johannes' stimulation for political consciousness into<br>
> active political action (either way: for or against<br>
> censorship/moderation,<br>
> i.e. "discussion" vs. "conversation"). I don't think there's more<br>
> need to<br>
> discuss the matter: you want moderation, you take care of it, otherwise,<br>
> just skip it and we resume to something else.<br>
><br>
> My €.02. General opinion being along the way of towo and webmind et<br>
> al. DIY<br>
><br>
> ==<br>
> hk, ready to drop off of the list in frustration ;o)<br>
><br>
> j/k<br>
><br>
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