It's not the topic of discussion that's a problem it's the method of discussion. THUS the call for a form of moderation. One form is to kill trouble topics. I am not a fan of that approach but it is a method of moderation. Another method of moderation is the enforcement of discussion etiquette. Or netiquette. Or debate / discussion rules. Or "be excellent to each other" rules.<br>
<br>We agree on a list of rulese to abide by. Then we moderate people who violate the rules and admit their emails on a case by case basis until such time as they stop with the violation of those rules of etiquette.<br><br>
Does that make sense?<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Paul Böhm <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:paul@boehm.org">paul@boehm.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Ok, so what should we discuss on this list other than what has been discussed?<br>
Specifically?<br>
<br>
Also how would you moderate a list without an impartial moderator?<br>
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On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Matt Joyce <<a href="mailto:mdjoyce@gmail.com">mdjoyce@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Paul,<br>
><br>
> Failure to protect discussion on this list is in no way a solution to the<br>
> problem at hand. You are in effect choosing to forsake discussion on the<br>
> discussion list entirely in favor of something else ( Re Ad hominem attacks,<br>
> Fallacy, and other "Childish Bullshit"). I would like you to take your<br>
> other thing elsewhere and free up the discussion list for actual<br>
> discussion. Calling this list "Discussion" in light of a complete break<br>
> from the commonly held definitions of discussion is deceptive. And inviting<br>
> people to hold discussions anywhere but the discussion list is absurd.<br>
><br>
> Warmest regards,<br>
><br>
> Matt Joyce<br>
><br>
> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Paul Böhm <<a href="mailto:paul@boehm.org">paul@boehm.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> hello from your friendly list creator,<br>
>><br>
>> at the moment the meta-discussion mails about moderation/killing the<br>
>> thread/etc. have exceeded the mails about the actual subject roughly<br>
>> by a factor of two.<br>
>><br>
>> killing off discussions you don't like solves the problem for you, but<br>
>> does not help others who feel the need to discuss certain subjects.<br>
>> there's a backlash because of that.<br>
>> hopefully the discussion will wind down after a bit, but we still<br>
>> won't all agree at that point.<br>
>><br>
>> however, seeing that we're different from each other is valuable all by<br>
>> itself.<br>
>><br>
>> in any case, this list won't become moderated since we won't be able<br>
>> to find an impartial moderator.<br>
>> if you want your own list on <a href="http://hackerspaces.org" target="_blank">hackerspaces.org</a>, we'd be very happy to<br>
>> create one for you.<br>
>><br>
>> paul<br>
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